Faith: Don't overanalyze it

Originally posted by @sonhouse
You can only have faith in yourself. Humans telling you about god, forget it, since they know zero about gods and whatever gods there are are keeping mum so you are on your own.

Thanks for sharing your religious beliefs.

Originally posted by @eladar
As I said, your question is based on a faulty assumption.

So your question is invalid if you are following up on my statement. I have clarified what I meant, I have no desire to follow the rabbit trail based on a faulty assumption.

You said

"Sorry if you made the faulty assumption that I claimed you needed to believe Jesus."

This implies one doesn't need to "believe Jesus" to "take Jesus' word for it".

My question is entirely correct and on point. How does one "take Jesus' word for it" without believing in Jesus? I understand you feel you don't need to believe in Jesus to take his word for it, so you don't need to repeat that. I'm confused as to how that works though.

Can you answer that question, or would you like to dodge some more?

Originally posted by @great-king-rat
You said

"Sorry if you made the faulty assumption that I claimed you needed to believe Jesus."

This implies one doesn't need to "believe Jesus" to "take Jesus' word for it".

My question is entirely correct and on point. How does one "take Jesus' word for it" without believing in Jesus? I understand you feel you don't need to believe in Jesu ...[text shortened]... to how that works though.

Can you answer that question, or would you like to dodge some more?

You are free to believe as you wish.

Disagreeing with you does not equal dodging the question.

Originally posted by @mchill
Faith: Don't overanalyze it

Don't under-analyze it either.

Originally posted by @eladar
You are free to believe as you wish.

Disagreeing with you does not equal dodging the question.

We weren't discussing whether or not I am free to believe as I wish. Where did that come from??

And no, disagreeing with me does not "equal" dodging. Posting one-liners that have nothing to do with the topic at hand however, does.

Originally posted by @great-king-rat
We weren't discussing whether or not I am free to believe as I wish. Where did that come from??

And no, disagreeing with me does not "equal" dodging. Posting one-liners that have nothing to do with the topic at hand however, does.

We weren't discussing anything.

You were trying to tell me what to talk about and I said no thank you.

Originally posted by @eladar
We weren't discussing anything.

You were trying to tell me what to talk about and I said no thank you.

I was asking you how one can "take Jesus' word for it" when one doesn't believe Jesus ever existed. If you don't know, you can just say so. No need to dodge and post irrelevant one-liners.

Originally posted by @eladar
Thanks for sharing your religious beliefs.

I have always said I want freedom FROM religion not freedom OF religion. Religions creep me out.

Originally posted by @sonhouse
I have always said I want freedom FROM religion not freedom OF religion. Religions creep me out.

Feel free to be self deluded if it helps you feel better.

Originally posted by @eladar
Feel free to be self deluded if it helps you feel better.

How does GKR take Jesus word for something, when he doesn't believe Jesus existed or exists?

Do you understand what "taking someone's word" means?

Originally posted by @divegeester
How does GKR take Jesus word for something, when he doesn't believe Jesus existed or exists?

Do you understand what "taking someone's word" means?

I already turned down that discussion since he turned down my take on the topic.

But hey, leave it to you to pester people needlessly.

Originally posted by @eladar
I already turned down that discussion since he turned down my take on the topic.

But hey, leave it to you to pester people needlessly.

Your take requires a significant amount of explanation.

Which you are clearly unable to deliver since your take is no more than hollow one-liners.

Why you'd bother posting them is anybody's guess.

Originally posted by @mchill
Faith in GOD is a gift, some have it some do not. Please don't try to use logic, mathematics, science or some other source of reasoning in our finite little existence here on planet earth to try to prove or disprove it, it won't work.

If you want to jump into anaylsis, try working on your endgames, or grab an old Informant and play through some lines of your chosen opening. 🙂

Its kind of like teaching a baby to walk. No parent really does that much. That baby learns to walk by walking. The older helper just gives the little one some support and encouragement.

You are right that faith is a gift.
You are right that we can be too introspective and end up leaning on our own understanding rather than trusting God.

Some help can be given. Paul said that he labored to complete that which was lacking in your faith.

"Night and day petitioning exceedingly so that we may see your face and complete the things that are lacking in your faith ... " (1 Thess. 3:10)

Originally posted by @eladar
I already turned down that discussion since he turned down my take on the topic.

But hey, leave it to you to pester people needlessly.

This is a discussion forum and I'm trying to discuss something to have previously said with you.; how do you interpret that as "needlessly pestering". 🙄

The main problem I can see here is that you are talking out of your arse.

Originally posted by @eladar
No problem. I was just explaining why it wasn't just my word on it.

Literally everything you say IS "your word for it", since you do not speak for Jesus or God.

You have practically zero understanding of what they DID say about it.

All you have is your own understanding, then you spend a LOT of time trying to convince people that YOUR ideas are God's ideas. They aren't.