Originally posted by @eladarYou said
As I said, your question is based on a faulty assumption.
So your question is invalid if you are following up on my statement. I have clarified what I meant, I have no desire to follow the rabbit trail based on a faulty assumption.
"Sorry if you made the faulty assumption that I claimed you needed to believe Jesus."
This implies one doesn't need to "believe Jesus" to "take Jesus' word for it".
My question is entirely correct and on point. How does one "take Jesus' word for it" without believing in Jesus? I understand you feel you don't need to believe in Jesus to take his word for it, so you don't need to repeat that. I'm confused as to how that works though.
Can you answer that question, or would you like to dodge some more?
Originally posted by @great-king-ratYou are free to believe as you wish.
You said
"Sorry if you made the faulty assumption that I claimed you needed to believe Jesus."
This implies one doesn't need to "believe Jesus" to "take Jesus' word for it".
My question is entirely correct and on point. How does one "take Jesus' word for it" without believing in Jesus? I understand you feel you don't need to believe in Jesu ...[text shortened]... to how that works though.
Can you answer that question, or would you like to dodge some more?
Disagreeing with you does not equal dodging the question.
Originally posted by @eladarWe weren't discussing whether or not I am free to believe as I wish. Where did that come from??
You are free to believe as you wish.
Disagreeing with you does not equal dodging the question.
And no, disagreeing with me does not "equal" dodging. Posting one-liners that have nothing to do with the topic at hand however, does.
Originally posted by @great-king-ratWe weren't discussing anything.
We weren't discussing whether or not I am free to believe as I wish. Where did that come from??
And no, disagreeing with me does not "equal" dodging. Posting one-liners that have nothing to do with the topic at hand however, does.
You were trying to tell me what to talk about and I said no thank you.
Originally posted by @eladarI was asking you how one can "take Jesus' word for it" when one doesn't believe Jesus ever existed. If you don't know, you can just say so. No need to dodge and post irrelevant one-liners.
We weren't discussing anything.
You were trying to tell me what to talk about and I said no thank you.
Originally posted by @eladarYour take requires a significant amount of explanation.
I already turned down that discussion since he turned down my take on the topic.
But hey, leave it to you to pester people needlessly.
Which you are clearly unable to deliver since your take is no more than hollow one-liners.
Why you'd bother posting them is anybody's guess.
Originally posted by @mchillIts kind of like teaching a baby to walk. No parent really does that much. That baby learns to walk by walking. The older helper just gives the little one some support and encouragement.
Faith in GOD is a gift, some have it some do not. Please don't try to use logic, mathematics, science or some other source of reasoning in our finite little existence here on planet earth to try to prove or disprove it, it won't work.
If you want to jump into anaylsis, try working on your endgames, or grab an old Informant and play through some lines of your chosen opening. 🙂
You are right that faith is a gift.
You are right that we can be too introspective and end up leaning on our own understanding rather than trusting God.
Some help can be given. Paul said that he labored to complete that which was lacking in your faith.
"Night and day petitioning exceedingly so that we may see your face and complete the things that are lacking in your faith ... " (1 Thess. 3:10)
Originally posted by @eladarLiterally everything you say IS "your word for it", since you do not speak for Jesus or God.
No problem. I was just explaining why it wasn't just my word on it.
You have practically zero understanding of what they DID say about it.
All you have is your own understanding, then you spend a LOT of time trying to convince people that YOUR ideas are God's ideas. They aren't.