Four Kinds of Forgiveness

Don't you believe that Christians "get away with" whatever they do in their lifetimes [and, indeed, proceed to an everlasting life] as long as they sincerely believe they are forgiven by Jesus' sacrifice and if they sincerely believe that they are being repentant in the eyes of the "still living" Jesus?

@FMF

Fine. I am Ok with you believing what you want about what you find illusionary and not illusionary. Your certainty and sincerity has no effect on me.

@sonship said
And asking you to logically explain why a concept of eternal retribution has no effect on you either.

Trust you, it is wrong ?

Your apathy to explain your position is suppose to have an effect on me?

@sonship said
@FMF

Fine. I am Ok with you believing what you want about what you find illusionary and not illusionary. Your certainty and sincerity has no effect on me.

And asking you to logically explain why a concept of eternal retribution has no effect on you either.

Trust you, it (eternal retribution) is necessarily wrong ?

I should trust your auth ...[text shortened]... _______ ? Fill it in.

Your apathy to explain your position is suppose to have an effect on me?

@sonship said
And asking you to logically explain why a concept of eternal retribution has no effect on you either.

@sonship said
You want to take up your more comfortable position of NOT being on the defensive but putting me in the defensive.

@sonship said
I do not see your clear explanation why eternal retribution in concept is morally wrong on any grounds conceivable.

@sonship said
"I do the examining always and you do the defending always."

@sonship said
You wish to perpetually be the one doing the examination with questions don't you?

@FMF

You believe the stuff that YOU believe.

And that stuff that YOU believe and often affirm is that there is an "torturer God ideology" which is morally wrong and inferior to what you believe.

But you slip away from telling us that the "torturer God ideology " is morally wrong. (Putting aside for the moment that your discription is not an appeal to emotions).

What civil punishment does not contain some unpleasant experience? And those are imperfect systems even prone to error.

On your authority we are to know that a perfect accounting to a perfect ultimate good does not exist.

You don't know that. You "lack a belief" that it does.
I lack a belief that I should assume your authority on the subject more reliable then that of Jesus Christ.

What I know comes from His mouth.

" But I am not here to convince anyone" you say - or something like that.

No FMF, the people who are not here to convince anyone don't participate in the Forum at all period. They're off making better use of their time (to their estimation) with totally other matters.

Your here to inform people like me that your ideology is better. Just admit it.

@sonship said
And that stuff that YOU believe and often affirm is that there is an "torturer God ideology" which is morally wrong and inferior to what you believe. But you slip away from telling us that the "torturer God ideology " is morally wrong.

@sonship said
On your authority we are to know that a perfect accounting to a perfect ultimate good does not exist.

@sonship said
No FMF, the people who are not here to convince anyone don't participate in the Forum at all period. They're off making better use of their time (to their estimation) with totally other matters.

@sonship said
I lack a belief that I should assume your authority on the subject more reliable then that of Jesus Christ.

@sonship said
Your here to inform people like me that your ideology is better. Just admit it.