15 Aug 12
Originally posted by jaywillDoes any of your mental gymnastics change that it says he RESTED? Of course, you are free to continue your "spin" but you are doing the bible no favors. Tell me, why does your all powerful god need the help of a puny human?Looks to me like it says quite clearly that he rested from his work work being the key word you apparently missed.
The Hebrew word there can mean simply decist or cease or put an end to.
It does not have to signify any physical exhaustion.
I don't stop my reading of the revelation of the Bible with this passage.
I gather addition ...[text shortened]... ] long before the inception of the birth of Christ or the inception of the Christian church.
15 Aug 12
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Originally posted by Phil HillApparently, you want to go through the Bible and submit evidences for a theological concept. Fine. Nothing wrong with that.
Does any of your mental gymnastics change that it says [b]he RESTED? Of course, you are free to continue your "spin" but you are doing the bible no favors. Tell me, why does your all powerful god need the help of a puny human?[/b]
However, I would like to know on what basis you say that the Isaiah passage should take a back seat and the Genesis passage should be the main passage forming your concept.
Do you have some reason why the rest of the Genesis passage is much more important than the "not faint" passage of Isaiah ?
Is it because to understand God as exhausted gives you a better strawman argument against faith in the Bible's God ? Do you prefer that picture ?
Why is not the same Scripture meaningful to you when it says that the Creator does not grow faint or become weary?
What is your method of establishing the Genesis passage should take precidence over the Isaiah passage in the reader formulating a concept about God in the Bible ?
I think my interpretation is far more consistent with the whole disclosure of God's attributes in the Old Testament. Your concept seems useful for a good lampoon satire.
Which muscles do you suppose needed rest ?
15 Aug 12
Originally posted by jaywillDo you understand that the supposed creation was before the authors of Isaiah were even a twinkle in their parents non-existing eyes?
Apparently, you want to go through the Bible and submit evidences for a theological concept. Fine. Nothing wrong with that.
However, I would like to know on what basis you say that the [b]Isaiah passage should take a back seat and the Genesis passage should be the main passage forming your concept.
Do you have some reason why the rest ...[text shortened]... pt seems useful for a good lampoon satire.
Which muscles do you suppose needed rest ?[/b]
The bible says he rested and your abhorrence to that isn't going to change anything.
15 Aug 12
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Originally posted by Phil Hill
Does any of your mental gymnastics change that it says [b]he RESTED? Of course, you are free to continue your "spin" but you are doing the bible no favors. Tell me, why does your all powerful god need the help of a puny human?[/b]
Tell me, why does your all powerful god need the help of a puny human?
Make up your mind then - the tired God resting or the all-powerful God ?
Whether I am "helping" God or not I don't know. I am giving a reason for the hope that is within me. The Bible says I should be ready to do that.
And the implied sarcasm of your posts kind of prompts me to submit my understanding of the attributes of God.
Now we know all the physical things came out of the stars. Your body and my body are made up of the stuff thrown off by stars. well, God created the stars.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth ...".
Before the physical universe, time, and space - God. The Uncreated and eternal life. Is it too hard to understand that this Creator rested, but not because He gets physically weary ?
It is His unwavering strength by which we humans can be empowered.
Same book - "They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength, they shall mount up their wings as eagles ..."
As we humans may derive empowerment from the unwearying Creator God, we may also derive eternal life from Him as well.
15 Aug 12
Originally posted by Phil Hill
Do you understand that the supposed creation was before the authors of Isaiah were even a twinkle in their parents non-existing eyes?
The bible says [b]he rested and your abhorrence to that isn't going to change anything.[/b]
The bible says he rested and your abhorrence to that isn't going to change anything.
Heavy !
Um, it also says God doesn't get weary. Your selective cynicism doesn't change that.
15 Aug 12
Originally posted by jaywillDoes this change that it says he rested?
Phil Hill the newbie seems like a Troll making a go at being a serious discusser at the Spirituality Forum. I think it is only a short matter of time that he will slink back into pure troll mode - chit chatty wise cracks.
15 Aug 12
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Originally posted by Phil HillWe know what it says. Serious readers of anything, including the Bible, give some thought to what it means.
Does this change that it says [b]he rested?[/b]
We are dealing with a translation from another language to English.
You will not answer my question about which muscles of God got weary.
You will not give any rational how you establish one statement in the Bible to be the main statement of God's attributes (assuming that fatique is the ONLY possible implication [edited] of the hebrew word there translated as our English rest.)
I'm not going to spend too much time more on this. I recognize stubburness, and do not mistake it for intellectual validity. I can detect the difference.
You're just being plan stubburn to interpret there physical fatique. I'll take it and also consider the other statment that the Creator doesn't get weary or faint.
I want to believe everything the Bible teaches without a cynical selectivity.
15 Aug 12
Originally posted by jaywillIt is what I call ornery. 😀
We know what it says. Serious readers of anything, including the Bible, give some thought to what it means.
We are dealing with a translation from another language to English.
You will not answer my question about which muscles of God got weary.
You will not give any rational how you establish one statement in the Bible to be the main st ...[text shortened]... r faint.
I want to believe everything the Bible teaches without a cynical selectivity.
15 Aug 12
Originally posted by jaywillThe question remains....does your posturing change that it says he rested?
We know what it says. Serious readers of anything, including the Bible, give some thought to what it means.
We are dealing with a translation from another language to English.
You will not answer my question about which muscles of God got weary.
You will not give any rational how you establish one statement in the Bible to be the main st ...[text shortened]... r faint.
I want to believe everything the Bible teaches without a cynical selectivity.