05 Dec 07
Originally posted by geniusIt doesn't seem that "find[ing] ambiguity" makes sense in any context. What needs to be shown is a lack of ambiguity.
Can you tell me where to find this ambiguity in the bible?
Read the following for an overview of the Bible and homosexuality.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibi.htm
05 Dec 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesWhat do you mean by "allowed" and what do you mean by "celebrate"? Do you mean the Catholic Church should bar them from the Christmas service?
In light of the fact that the Catholic Church prohibits certain types of sinners from participating in various holy celebrations, the topic here his:
Should gays be allowed to celebrate Christmas?
Do you have an example of another sin and which 'holy celebrations' the sinners are barred from?
I am not a theist at all but I do take a holiday on Christmas. I know some Christians (members of the Church of Christ) who essentially go for the whole Christmas tree, and presents thing but consider it a non-religious holiday as it is against their beliefs to celebrate is as Christians.
05 Dec 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou did say "It doesn't matter that the Bible is somewhat ambiguous as to its stance against homosexuals.", and i was wondering what ambiguity you were referring to?
It doesn't seem that "find[ing] ambiguity" makes sense in any context. What needs to be shown is a lack of ambiguity.
Read the following for an overview of the Bible and homosexuality.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibi.htm
05 Dec 07
Originally posted by geniusI gathered that that was what you were wondering. Like a lot of things in the Bible it's open to interpretation.
You did say "It doesn't matter that the Bible is somewhat ambiguous as to its stance against homosexuals.", and i was wondering what ambiguity you were referring to?
Try reading the link I provided to start. If you have specific questions, then ask away.
05 Dec 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI haven't read it fully - indeed it stopped when I read the line "The Bible refers to specific homosexual behaviors in a few passages. All references are negative.", which lead me to wonder what your stance was. Do you feel the Bible is ambiguous here, and if so why are you asking me to read this essay? (This is a thought, not a criticism). I shall, however, continue reading.
I gathered that that was what you were wondering. Like a lot of things in the Bible it's open to interpretation.
Try reading the link I provided to start. If you have specific questions, then ask away.
05 Dec 07
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe Roman Catholic Church does not allow women on birth control to commune with their Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Do you have an example of another sin and which 'holy celebrations' the sinners are barred from?
(It does however allow child molesters to be priests, and very often assigns priests to particular parishes in virtue of their history of child molestation.)
05 Dec 07
Originally posted by geniusIt's a fairly complex topic that requires more than superficial consideration. The essay seems to give a reasonably balanced overview of the topic.
I haven't read it fully - indeed it stopped when I read the line "The Bible refers to specific homosexual behaviors in a few passages. All references are negative.", which lead me to wonder what your stance was. Do you feel the Bible is ambiguous here, and if so why are you asking me to read this essay? (This is a thought, not a criticism). I shall, however, continue reading.
05 Dec 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesif god is up there im sure it dosent matter if your gay....some of the things streight people do in the bedroom should get them stricken of santas christmas list for life!
In light of the fact that the Catholic Church prohibits certain types of sinners from participating in various holy celebrations, the topic here his:
Should gays be allowed to celebrate Christmas?
05 Dec 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesPrancing around in paper hats, decorating the house with shiny things & watching the Wizard of Oz...
In light of the fact that the Catholic Church prohibits certain types of sinners from participating in various holy celebrations, the topic here his:
Should gays be allowed to celebrate Christmas?
Come on - Christmas was made for our camp friends!
05 Dec 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI'm not sure - for instance, in the section on Bible translators being biased it assumes that when the National Gay Pentecostal Alliance translated Leviticus 18:22 they did so without bias.
It's a fairly complex topic that requires more than superficial consideration. The essay seems to give a reasonably balanced overview of the topic.
It also does not cover same-sex marraige, and the page on the site that does does little that tell the reader some facts about, for instance, US Law. This is, I think, a pity as all sex outwith marraige is condemed in the bible, so if it was clear whether same-sex marraige was allowed then we would learn even more...
05 Dec 07
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Originally posted by geniusPerhaps you lost the context of the NGPA "translation". The NPGA "translation" was merely an example of how 'economic considerations' could exert influence. The point of the section was that all translations are biased by one force or another.
I'm not sure - for instance, in the section on Bible translators being biased it assumes that when the National Gay Pentecostal Alliance translated Leviticus 18:22 they did so without bias.
It also does not cover same-sex marraige, and the page on the site that does does little that tell the reader some facts about, for instance, US Law. This is, I think, ...[text shortened]... ible, so if it was clear whether same-sex marraige was allowed then we would learn even more...
I have to admit that I'm having trouble understanding your second paragraph. Are you saying that what US Law recognizes should be the ultimate indicator of what does or does not constitue "marriage"?
05 Dec 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesDo liars, adulters, and other sinners celebrate it? If you are just
In light of the fact that the Catholic Church prohibits certain types of sinners from participating in various holy celebrations, the topic here his:
Should gays be allowed to celebrate Christmas?
refering to the Catholic Church whatever rules they have are their
rules I don't belong to that church or follow its teaching so I do not
care what rules they place upon themselves, they do not affect me
one way or another.
Kelly
06 Dec 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesMortal sin removes the possibility of receiving the Eucharist. Whether taking the OCP is a mortal sin or not is not so easy to answer. But I've never heard it called communing with Jesus before and I don't think it's really the appropriate term.
The Roman Catholic Church does not allow women on birth control to commune with their Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
(It does however allow child molesters to be priests, and very often assigns priests to particular parishes in virtue of their history of child molestation.)
The relevence of the Catholic Church's problems in relation to child molestation is...what?
