14 Jan 16
Originally posted by sonship
The last verse in the whole Bible is one reminding the believers that God's grace is with them. Prediction, prophesy, foretelling, foreknowledge do not replace man's need to be supplied by the grace of God empowering man from within.
[b] "The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints. Amen." (Revelation 33:21)
That is the ...[text shortened]...
[Footnote 21(1), of Rev. 22:18, Recovery Version Bible, Living Stream Ministry, my emphasis][/b]How did the word "Saint" arive into the Bible
Just wondering
14 Jan 16
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Originally posted by Welsh invaderWhoever did the translation to English put it there.
How did the word "Saint" arive into the Bible
Just wondering
In the case of Revelation 22:21 (not Revelation 33:21) there are apparently a number of different versions available in the Greek some of which include the Greek equivalent of Saint and some which do not.
14 Jan 16
Originally posted by KellyJaySo you are saying your deity who is at the same time all knowing, did not know what the outcome of that test would be? Which is it? Is your god all knowing or not?
I'd guess a reality check which is all this place is. What is real and pretense with respect to
God's and Abraham's relationship? Our world right now is all about finding what is real or
not even our science is just to do that. God would never need do such a thing if Abraham
had no choice in the matter.
14 Jan 16
Originally posted by sonhouseHe can be all knowing but no one else is, and so would everyone just take His Word for it,
So you are saying your deity who is at the same time all knowing, did not know what the outcome of that test would be? Which is it? Is your god all knowing or not?
or would it be right to allow them to see it all too?
The trick would never be in the knowledge, but in the cause. The knowledge and cause
are two different things. An all knowing and powerful God would have to allow choices be
made freely, even those He did not like and even hated.
Personally I think a large majority of our choices more than likely fall into that group too.
14 Jan 16
Originally posted by KellyJayWell then, it goes back to creation if that story is right, we are a poor design and this god knew it. It still goes back to a god that needed help in the design area.
He can be all knowing but no one else is, and so would everyone just take His Word for it,
or would it be right to allow them to see it all too?
The trick would never be in the knowledge, but in the cause. The knowledge and cause
are two different things. An all knowing and powerful God would have to allow choices be
made freely, even those He did not ...[text shortened]...
Personally I think a large majority of our choices more than likely fall into that group too.
Which goes to the issue that your god, even if all the tales are true, was not all knowing omniscient and so forth.
It just goes to show ME the man made nature of all religions.
Too many religions exist on Earth to have come from a god, an all powerful god would see the false nature of other religions and could have just as easily stopped a new religion in its tracks from day one.
That those religions got started says your deity didn't care and did not apply its infinitely powerful force to stop those religions but some how maybe even encouraged them to take place.