28 Oct 13
Originally posted by galveston75How do you know that he can? You don't.
First why is it that the planet can barely sustain the 6 billion that are on it now? Is it because of the planet itself or because of what man has done to it? Do some research first on this as this planet could produce much much more then it does now even with so much land not useable...
Second we do not know God's original plan as far as the limits th ...[text shortened]... best.
So yes it will take Jehovah God to finally provide what we need. Do you think he can't?
You are just assuming that he is there and that eventually he will.
You have no concrete proof that what you say will happen
will actually happen.
So you have nothing NOTHING!!!!! to back up what you believe.
29 Oct 13
Originally posted by johnnylongwoodyI have faith in God and his word. He has never lied to man and I fully believe in what he says for the future.
How do you know that he can? You don't.
You are just assuming that he is there and that eventually he will.
You have no concrete proof that what you say will happen
will actually happen.
So you have nothing NOTHING!!!!! to back up what you believe.
It's for sure man has done nothing but harm to this planet and God promisses to take this planet back and bring all of mankind that wants his rule, to live as he originally designed us too.
29 Oct 13
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Originally posted by galveston75If there were a god It would not worry about the future ever because It would be creating whatever future It sought. No?
I have faith in God and his word. He has never lied to man and I fully believe in what he says for the future.
It's for sure man has done nothing but harm to this planet and God promisses to take this planet back and bring all of mankind that wants his rule, to live as he originally designed us too.
Although there is a ring of truth to the idea that humans aren't fulfilling their potential and using our brains entirely correctly. As our brains were 'designed' to do.
29 Oct 13
Originally posted by karoly aczelWell there is a God no matter how much you don't believe in him, and he is very concerned about humans or at least the ones who are concerned with their future with his guidance instead of this blind leading the blind, who knows what each day will bring existance man has been flubbing thru world for centuries.
If there were a god It would not worry about the future ever because It would be creating whatever future It sought. No?
Although there is a ring of truth to the idea that humans aren't fulfilling their potential and using our brains entirely correctly. As our brains were 'designed' to do.
And yes mans minds were ceated by God to constanly learn but with his direction to help us fulfuill our potentials to make this planet a jewl to live on and prosper. But man chose not to follow Godly ways and have now gotten this planet in a course of destruction from many levels.
29 Oct 13
Originally posted by KellyJayWell, I have dealt with lying.
He started a war, and lied to create a breach between God and man, and
and man.
Kelly
As to starting a war, that may or may not be a crime. Given the rap sheet that God is compiling, there is an argument that this was justified.
29 Oct 13
Originally posted by KellyJayAs I have said repeatedly, the terms of my OP are clearly set out. If you think the terms of my OP are invalid, as you clearly do, then I am happy to accept that.
God and Satan are not on equal terms, for one we are in a God created
universe with rules set by God, not by Satan, or by man. Even using your
enquiry the rules must be applied to both, God does not lie, nor does He
tempt us into things that cause us to destroy ourselves, and keep us at
odds with each other and God.
God being the law giver, sets the ...[text shortened]... rns themselves, or falls off a
cliff due to God setting up all the laws of the universe.
Kelly
I am, nonetheless, surprised that no-one can attribute a single specific crime to Satan by reference to the Bible.
29 Oct 13
Originally posted by galveston75You say you must not be blinded by Satan.
"there is no way to distinguish between God and Satan."
Really? So if one does not understand the differences as you seem to be saying is your issue, then that has to be the logical answer to this mystery that you claim?
Humm?
The Bible is very clear as to why God immediately put into motion the exact and justified plan needed to correct the dam ...[text shortened]... up too with satan and being blinded by him and actually aligning oneself with him and not God..
If Satan killed a child, you would be horrified by it. When God does it, you say it must be because the child was wicked, even though there is nothing to support this 'defence'.
But Satan, as far as this thread is concerned, has killed no-one, and God has killed millions, men, women, and children.
My question is, if the things which we give the names 'God' and 'Satan' were reversed, how would you know?
Sounds to me like Satan is the ultimate scapegoat. In fact, given how often he is portrayed as a goat-like creature, I am beginning to wonder if there is more in this than meets the eye.
29 Oct 13
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Originally posted by Rank outsiderI'll repost my comment from earlier:
You say you must not be blinded by Satan.
If Satan killed a child, you would be horrified by it. When God does it, you say it must be because the child was wicked, even though there is nothing to support this 'defence'.
But Satan, as far as this thread is concerned, has killed no-one, and God has killed millions, men, women, and children.
My ...[text shortened]... d as a goat-like creature, I am beginning to wonder if there is more in this than meets the eye.
"Satan has been respondsable for every murder that has happened on this planet.
This is where many do not look at the big picture and realise why man has suffered for centuries. And this all is because of satan and he is doing a fantastic job in fooling most humans into not seeing this and in fact blurring the truth and making many feel it is God who has been gulity of the things many here are accusing him of.
If satan had not rebelled against God and infected the whole planet with deciet and wickedness, not one human would have died on this planet up to this day."
So I ask you, why has God killed? Were there reasons behind it or did he just get mad at someone and deside to wipe them off the planet?
Was he perhaps protecting someone? Are there any legal issues that you may not understand as you were not there to see the events first hand?
Do you even understand the srcipture in Genesis 3:15 where he put into motion the only way man as a whole would someday have a chance to live in perfect health with no crime or starvation or sicknesses as we have more then enough of that earth wide today?
Do you even understand about the resurrection that will happen for most who have died in the past and how the ones who you have so brazingly judged God himself in saying they were murdered by him, but in fact will actually have the chance for life again?
Who are you, other then a tiny little human to judge God and then giving satan somekind of good guy pass?
Originally posted by Rank outsiderThe breaking with the truth was huge, that break caused all the death and
Well, I have dealt with lying.
As to starting a war, that may or may not be a crime. Given the rap sheet that God is compiling, there is an argument that this was justified.
destruction, and all the fall out where people now lost their connection with
God and each other, so our focus in life isn't any longer on the love of
either, but instead selfish desires. Adam and Eve were running around
naked without any fear or shame due to their innocence, this wouldn’t and
couldn’t be the norm if there were issues with lust and shame which they
lost due to the lie and their actions after it.
I have not seen you deal with lying, I have seen someone say that isn't a
crime (it may have been you), which is not true! No one can lie under
oath, and it isn't any different in life in God’s kingdom at all times, period!
All of us are going to give an account for each and every word we speak.
This giving an account means we will owe God an account towards our
actions, this thread is a presumptuous judgment against God is arrogance
in the highest, but I do believe that God will on judgment day allow
everyone's actions including His own to be seen for what they were,
including our words in secret, our motivations in all things.
Just as God setup the laws of physics, He setup all the laws for human
behavior, a fallout of bad human behavior will result in outcomes that are
not going to be good for the lives effected just as when you grab a hot
iron with your hand, you will be burned.
Kelly
29 Oct 13
Originally posted by KellyJayGood stuff.....
The breaking with the truth was huge, that break caused all the death and
destruction, and all the fall out where people now lost their connection with
God and each other, so our focus in life isn't any longer on the love of
either, but instead selfish desires. Adam and Eve were running around
naked without any fear or shame due to their innocence, this ...[text shortened]... the lives effected just as when you grab a hot
iron with your hand, you will be burned.
Kelly
29 Oct 13
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Originally posted by KellyJayThe breaking with the truth was huge, that break caused all the death and
The breaking with the truth was huge, that break caused all the death and
destruction, and all the fall out where people now lost their connection with
God and each other, so our focus in life isn't any longer on the love of
either, but instead selfish desires. Adam and Eve were running around
naked without any fear or shame due to their innocence, this ...[text shortened]... the lives effected just as when you grab a hot
iron with your hand, you will be burned.
Kelly
destruction, and all the fall out where people now lost their connection with
God and each other, so our focus in life isn't any longer on the love of
either, but instead selfish desires
This is merely conjecture. Where is your evidence?
No one can lie under oath
Why? Whe is your evidence?
All of us are going to give an account for each and every word we speak.
This giving an account means we will owe God an account towards our
actions
I'm not! Where is your evidence
Just as God setup the laws of physics, He setup all the laws for human
behavior
Please, says who? Where is your evidence?
when you grab a hot iron with your hand, you will be burned.
Wear gloves. Usually works.
None of your thesis has any merit. It is all conjecture. Faith. Gobbledygook. Tosh.
29 Oct 13
Originally posted by Pianoman1If you don't know scripture I suggest you read it.
[b]The breaking with the truth was huge, that break caused all the death and
destruction, and all the fall out where people now lost their connection with
God and each other, so our focus in life isn't any longer on the love of
either, but instead selfish desires
This is merely conjecture. Where is your evidence?
No one can lie under oath [ ...[text shortened]... ly works.
None of your thesis has any merit. It is all conjecture. Faith. Gobbledygook. Tosh.
Kelly