Gratification

@divegeester said
You’re a little sounding paranoid and deluded again Suzianne.

In the every days sense of the words.

You really do think 'In the every days sense of the words' somehow absolves your endless mental health slurs don't you? Like it's a protective shield FMF has fashioned for you.

In reality it puts you (and FMF) in the same camp as Romans, using daily repetition of such slurs that ends up making people's skin crawl.

@mchill said
It makes me happy whenever I consider that God's laws were not designed to unduly restrict or hamper our actions, but rather to keep us from harming or destroying ourselves and each other and that God wants the best for us and wishes us to live in peace.

Ah, you mean like Ex. 22:18?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
To clarify, God allows Satan to cause Earthquakes and the like that kill thousands/millions of people and does so to further a plan beyond our understanding? Is that your argument?

Is that your argument?

Yes, and if you're looking for some logic in it you won't find much. God's ways often don't fit neatly in our limited perception, and rules of logic. As I've said here many times: You have to take some things on faith.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
In reality it puts you (and FMF) in the same camp as Romans, using daily repetition of such slurs that ends up making people's skin crawl.

They are not slurs.

@mchill said
Is that your argument?

Yes, and if you're looking for some logic in it you won't find much. God's ways often don't fit neatly in our limited perception, and rules of logic. As I've said here many times: You have to take some things on faith.

It is not necessary to take it on faith. God's morality is epitomized in the Bible (through such things as the 10 commandments etc). Allowing Satan to kill millions of people doesn't seem to align with that.

It is 'His own rules of logic' He isn't following. - The existence of metaphysical evil, like earthquakes or diseases, either indicate God is not all powerful (or perfect) or else isn't omnibenevolent.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
It is not necessary to take it on faith. God's morality is epitomized in the Bible (through such things as the 10 commandments etc). Allowing Satan to kill millions of people doesn't seem to align with that.

It is 'His own rules of logic' He isn't following. - The existence of metaphysical evil, like earthquakes or diseases, either indicate God is not all powerful (or perfect) or else isn't omnibenevolent.

It does not seem logical, does it? Why would God allow Satan to kill millions of people? Perhaps Satan, under the law for everyone, was given freewill too?

The Bible states that God is responsible for all good and evil. And in Genesis it also states that God planted the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Which, I may add, was planted right next to the tree of life, and both at the center of the Garden. Center of attention, I would say. One tree to test obedience, and the other the reward for obedience. But how does someone who is ignorant of the knowledge of what is good, and what is evil, determine if obedience is good, or evil, or indifferent? There are times when obedience may not be such a good thing. Typically a slave is reluctant in following the master's orders, which are forced on him/her, as no slave will be disposed on following orders without the chains of slavery. The order to not runaway is not to be obeyed, if the possibility of escape is presented to a slave.

However, if I did not know better, I say that God wanted us to eat from the tree of knowledge all along. As a father, he knows that when you merely tell your little children not to touch something, sure enough they will, at some point in time when you are not looking. And God used his trusted helper, that old wise serpent, to assure they did. And here we are, debating about the existence of God, with and without knowledge for some; which is called faith. Knowledge for the evidence (lack of) and faith because of this apparent lack of evidence. At least in our own times, since some have faith in the evidence stipulated in the Bible itself.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
It is not necessary to take it on faith. God's morality is epitomized in the Bible (through such things as the 10 commandments etc). Allowing Satan to kill millions of people doesn't seem to align with that.

It is 'His own rules of logic' He isn't following. - The existence of metaphysical evil, like earthquakes or diseases, either indicate God is not all powerful (or perfect) or else isn't omnibenevolent.

It is 'His own rules of logic' He isn't following. - The existence of metaphysical evil, like earthquakes or diseases, either indicate God is not all powerful (or perfect) or else isn't omnibenevolent.



I sincerely hope you don't find out the truth of this the hard way-

@mchill said
Have you considered the idea that it is Satan, and not God that does these things? and that Satan is doing them only because God allows it, and that God uses Satan's evil works to further his own plan - a plan that not fully known to us?

The trouble is that it is very hard to see any good coming out of certain evil acts.

Say, a missing child gets killed by an evil person, and no one ever finds out. Maybe there are some small goods that come out of this, such as the parents learning to value their remaining children a bit more -- but was it really for them to permanently lose a child to learn this lesson? Maybe a scary bike accident would have done the same trick.

With earthquakes, thousands can die. Your argument implies that somehow God's plan would be hampered if even one less person had died in the earthquake.

@mchill said
It is 'His own rules of logic' He isn't following. - The existence of metaphysical evil, like earthquakes or diseases, either indicate God is not all powerful (or perfect) or else isn't omnibenevolent.



I sincerely hope you don't find out the truth of this the hard way-

Those tepid threats of divine retribution don't work on atheists. You might as well threaten me with leprechauns.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You really do think 'In the every days sense of the words' somehow absolves your endless mental health slurs don't you? Like it's a protective shield FMF has fashioned for you.

In reality it puts you (and FMF) in the same camp as Romans, using daily repetition of such slurs that ends up making people's skin crawl.

I think your exhibiting a paranoid delusion with this post Ghost of Delusion.

@divegeester said
I think your exhibiting a paranoid delusion with this post Ghost of Delusion.

I think you are using words you don't really understand.

Here, have a ball.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I think you are using words you don't really understand.

Here, have a ball.

Is it red and bounce really really high, he’ll love it!🎭🎱.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Those tepid threats of divine retribution don't work on atheists. You might as well threaten me with leprechauns.

Er, there is an ornery bunch of leprechauns which come round the garden shed sometimes, after pub closing time. Fortunately, I have been able to keep them at bay by playing my Tommy Roe records at high volume. “Hooray For Hazel.”

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I think you are using words you don't really understand.

I disagree.

@divegeester said
I disagree.

You claim you use 'delusion' and 'paranoid' in the every day sense, not in relation to mental health, but use them alongside such expressions as 'mad as a bunch of frogs.'

Again, I think you are using words you don't really understand and probably haven't encountered many people who really do struggle with delusions and paranoia.