25 May 12
Originally posted by galveston75The Awake! magazine, prior to 1995, said: "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." A few pages ago you claimed that this prophecy has already come true "in part". How so?
If you go to your Bible, and I hope you do if you are seriously wanting to learn, and go to Matthew Mark and Luke you will see Jesus is speaking of a generation of people that will not pass away until these things happen.
He never said this applied to all humans but he was speaking to his chosen ones or the original group of the anointed at that time. ...[text shortened]... ll take the time to post them. If you are not interested, don't waist my time. You decide.
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25 May 12
Originally posted by galveston75The only part that I think merits much discussion is why this would be an important issue, and I think that is not for me to say.
So is it open to just anyones opinion or did Jesus have a specific meaning behind that statement? Was he just speaking to be speaking or is this an important issue?
25 May 12
Originally posted by FMFYou didn't respond to my post. Why not? Am I still waisting my time? I guess so.
The Awake! magazine, prior to 1995, said: "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." A few pages ago you claimed that this prophecy has already come true "in part". How so?
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25 May 12
Originally posted by FMFI think the squabble (trivial) part is the same as that represented by what I quoted, "Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right, then it's not the end." I believe it has been admitted that the writers of Awake! were wrong, if the meaning of "generation" was such that their prediction should have come true by now.
Actually the "squabble" is over the prediction that the world as we know it is about to end and that this is predicted by the bible according to the writers of Awake!
25 May 12
Originally posted by galveston75This question came first and you have sidestepped it several times: A few pages ago you claimed that this prophecy has already come true "in part". How so?
You didn't respond to my post. Why not? Am I still waisting my time? I guess so.
25 May 12
Originally posted by FMFTwo can play this game. I've seen how you converse with others here over some time now and it's never ending. Instead of answering questions you constantly keep playing with words and I'm not going to continue on with this. Good night.
This question came first and you have sidestepped it several times: A few pages ago you claimed that this prophecy has already come true "in part". How so?
25 May 12
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Originally posted by galveston75This does not answer my question which you have been dodging since page 3 of this thread: Has the prophecy come true? And if it has come true "in part", which part?
Two can play this game. I've seen how you converse with others here over some time now and it's never ending. Instead of answering questions you constantly keep playing with words and I'm not going to continue on with this. Good night.
The only "game" I can see here is that, instead of answering my point blank questions about what you said about the topic, you have been asking me "questions" where you ask me to second guess what your answers are going to be.
25 May 12
Originally posted by galveston75Also I doubt Jesus used the Gregorian Calendar anyway LOL
I never said he used the year 1914. Perhaps you should look up the link I just posted to see why Jesus was pointing to that year. He did not say it as that year as the Bible never does use any specific years or days or months in any of it's explinations of the future.
This is where by connecting the dots and listening to what the scriptures are saying ...[text shortened]... Jesus did not say those words just for the heck of it and to keep everyone in the dark did he?
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25 May 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI believe the original contention of the WT was that in 1914 Christ would physically return but when he did not then it changed into a spiritual presence not a physical one. Also as some became disenchanted with the WT they began changing the date to a later date. This is all factual and contained within your organizations literature.
"The 2,520 years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the
Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in
October 1914. At that time, “the appointed times of the nations” ended, and Jesus
Christ was installed as God’s heavenly King.*—Psalm 2:1-6; Daniel 7:13, 14.
"Just as Jesus predicted, his “pr ar 1914 it
has as its basis a Biblical prophecy based on chronology, as the texts explains.
Reorganization (1917–1942)
In January 1917, the Watch Tower Society's legal representative, Joseph Franklin Rutherford, was elected as its next president. His election was disputed, and soon after members of the Board of Directors accused him of acting in an autocratic and secretive manner.[48][49] The divisions between his supporters and opponents triggered a major turnover of members over the next decade.[50][51] In June 1917 he released The Finished Mystery as a seventh volume of Russell's Studies in the Scriptures series.[52] The book, largely written by two Bible Students, was claimed to be the "posthumous work" of Russell.[53][54][55][56] It strongly criticized Catholic and Protestant clergy and Christian involvement in the Great War.[57] As a result, Watch Tower Society directors were jailed for sedition under the Espionage Act in 1918 and members were subjected to mob violence; charges against the directors were dropped in 1920.[58]
Rutherford centralized organizational control of the Watch Tower Society. In 1919 he instituted the practice of appointing a director in each congregation, and a year later all members were instructed to report their weekly preaching activity to the Brooklyn headquarters.[59] At an international convention held at Cedar Point, Ohio, in September 1922, a new emphasis was made on house-to-house preaching.[60] Significant changes in doctrine and administration were regularly introduced during Rutherford's twenty-five years as president, including the 1918 announcement reversing Russell's rejection of the belief that the Jewish patriarchs (such as Abraham and Isaac) would be resurrected in 1925, marking the beginning of Christ's thousand-year Kingdom.[61][62][63] Disappointed by the changes, tens of thousands of defections occurred during the first half of Rutherford's tenure, leading to the formation of several Bible Student organizations independent of the Watch Tower Society,[64][65] most of which still exist.[66] By mid-1919 about one in seven of Russell-era Bible Students had ceased their association with the Society,[67][68] and a majority by 1931.[69][70][71][72]
taken from wikipedia
Manny
25 May 12
Originally posted by JS357With respect, JS357, I find your suggestion that this is all "trivial" a little baffling. robbie and galveston75 persistently use their self-professed 'expertise' in interpreting the bible [e.g. earlier on this thread robbie said "let those with real Biblical knowledge exercise their expertise"] in order to variously condemn, denounce, pour scorn on fellow Christians and even, on occasion, deny that they are Christians altogether. If the interpretations and prophecies issued by the JW organisation are arguably completely wrong time and time again - as Rajk999 has suggested - then this clearly undermines robbie and galveston75's assertion that they are able to interpret the bible more faithfully than anyone outside their organisation. Thus it undermines their credibility when they denounce the beliefs and practices of non-JW's who live their lives based on biblical interpretation. I don't see how all this is "trivial" at all.
I think the squabble (trivial) part is the same as that represented by what I quoted, "Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right, then it's not the end." I believe it has been admitted that the writers of Awake! were wrong, if the meaning of "generation" was such that their prediction should have come true by now.