19 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsI don't know exactly what the dispute is supposed to be. You made the argument that DNA and neantertals refuted evolution, I think.
What is the dispute in your opinion?
All it shows me is humanity had several branches of the tree. And there were NEVER neantertals around as far back as 20,000 years ago. Humans had the planet to themselves, with the possible exception of the hobbits on that island, the 3 foot humans who lived till about 18,000 ish years ago in an isolated existence. They had tiny heads and brains not much bigger than chimps but used stone tools like modern humans.
20 Mar 13
Originally posted by sonhouseHasn't it been a claim of evolutionists that Neandertals were an evolutionary link between apes and modern humans? I am simply pointing out that DNA evidence show that they were just as much human as Chinese, Negroes, Jews, or Russians. It was only due to the zeal to discover missing links by evolutionists that the evolutionary claim was made in the first place.
I don't know exactly what the dispute is supposed to be. You made the argument that DNA and neantertals refuted evolution, I think.
All it shows me is humanity had several branches of the tree. And there were NEVER neantertals around as far back as 20,000 years ago. Humans had the planet to themselves, with the possible exception of the hobbits on that ...[text shortened]... had tiny heads and brains not much bigger than chimps but used stone tools like modern humans.
20 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsNo. According to Wikipedia:
Hasn't it been a claim of evolutionists that Neandertals were an evolutionary link between apes and modern humans? I am simply pointing out that DNA evidence show that they were just as much human as Chinese, Negroes, Jews, or Russians. It was only due to the zeal to discover missing links by evolutionists that the evolutionary claim was made in the first place.
"Comparison of the DNA of Neanderthals and homo sapiens suggests that they diverged from a common ancestor between 350,000 and 400,000 years ago. This ancestor is not certain, but was probably Homo heidelbergensis (sometimes called homo rhodesiensis)."
However, there is some disagreement whether they are their own species or a sub-species of Homo sapiens. Mitochondrial DNA suggests they are a separate species.
20 Mar 13
Originally posted by SuzianneThat was not the case in the textbooks that I had back when I was in school. They pictured man evolving from a chimpanzee into more human-like apes and to cavemen that were given names like Peking man, Java man, Cro-magnon man, Neanderthal man. Several of the ape men were later determined to be fakes.
No. According to Wikipedia:
"Comparison of the DNA of Neanderthals and homo sapiens suggests that they diverged from a common ancestor between 350,000 and 400,000 years ago. This ancestor is not certain, but was probably Homo heidelbergensis (sometimes called homo rhodesiensis)."
However, there is some disagreement whether they are their own species or a sub-species of Homo sapiens. Mitochondrial DNA suggests they are a separate species.
20 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsWell, Gee whiz, imagine that, science progressing since you were in school.
That was not the case in the textbooks that I had back when I was in school. They pictured man evolving from a chimpanzee into more human-like apes and to cavemen that were given names like Peking man, Java man, Cro-magnon man, Neanderthal man. Several of the ape men were later determined to be fakes.
Who would have known.
20 Mar 13
Originally posted by sonhouseWell, I hope science one day progresses to the point it dismisses this evil-lution theory as science fiction and superstition just like they did spontaneous generation of life.
Well, Gee whiz, imagine that, science progressing since you were in school.
Who would have known.
22 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsCremationist scientists have had 150 years to blow evolution out of the water. With zero luck so far and it looks very much like using the same assenine arguments real people have put up with by the religious nutter crowd will keep up for the next 150 years with exactly the same result, evolution 1, cremationists 0.
Well, I hope science one day progresses to the point it dismisses this evil-lution theory as science fiction and superstition just like they did spontaneous generation of life.
22 Mar 13
Originally posted by RJHindsExcept the conclusion was not made by the study. The conclusion was made by a poster on the internet with known religious bias. We are trying to establish whether he made that conclusion based on stats or whether he made it up.
I did not bother reading through it all. That is supposed to be the study and I suppose they would provide the stats if they believed it relevant to the conclusion.
22 Mar 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadYeah, that's going to be SUCH a tough call.....
Except the conclusion was not made by the study. The conclusion was made by a poster on the internet with known religious bias. We are trying to establish whether he made that conclusion based on stats or whether he made it up.
22 Mar 13
Originally posted by sonhouse"Cremationist scientists", lol. Okay, now that's funny.
Cremationist scientists have had 150 years to blow evolution out of the water. With zero luck so far and it looks very much like using the same assenine arguments real people have put up with by the religious nutter crowd will keep up for the next 150 years with exactly the same result, evolution 1, cremationists 0.