Originally posted by roigamIf something is published by the JW organisation in its official magazine and then it turns out to be wrong, do you think that the solution is to declare that the error was not made by the JW organisation?
If you read it, it is not the JW's understanding. They stick to what the Bible says,
It is the understanding of individuals who are or were members of the JW's.
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Originally posted by FMFSo you either don't understand semantics or you have little appreciation of sense stress.
Here is what you posted.
"As far as the 1975 item, I explained in another thread that the JW's never foretold that date. [b]It was anticipated wrongly by enthusiastic members who did on an individual basis say they thought 1975 would be the end of this unsuccessful system of things. The official JW publication, the Watchtower did correct what th ...[text shortened]... ld bits above - in what you posted - are references to the incorrect prophesies made by the JWs.
i.e. correct ...members mistakenly said; expected; surmised; conjectured; anticipation;
erroneous views; mistakes or misconceptions (of individuals); etc.
It was obviously not the official view of the JW organization.
Why try to put it on them?
Originally posted by roigamSo JWs writing in the JWs official publication on the subject of JW doctrines and predictions suddenly became not JWs writing on the subject of official JW doctrines and predictions in the JW official publication when it turned out that the predictions were wrong? They suddenly became "individuals"?
So you either don't understand semantics or you have little appreciation of sense stress.
i.e. correct ...members mistakenly said; expected; surmised; conjectured; anticipation;
erroneous views; mistakes or misconceptions (of individuals); etc.
It was obviously not the official view of the JW organization.
Originally posted by roigamRomans 9:14-21
He 3:4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.
The universe is God's creation, His intellectual property, so legally He can do whatever He wants to do with it (including us), or for it.
What He wants to do is: (1 Timothy 2:4) whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accu ...[text shortened]... turn to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Originally posted by roigamYou said "Why try to put it on them?" where "it" means responsibility for the incorrect predictions, and "them" appears to mean the JW organization.
Are you a casuist too, or just trying to be annoying?
The predictions were published in the JW organization's magazine. Surely, you cannot seriously be claiming that JWs making predictions in the JW organization's official publication based on their understanding of the Bible suddenly became "individuals" and - somehow - suddenly became not part of the JW organization once it turned out that what they had made incorrect predictions based on their understanding of the Bible?
Surely, that is not the extraordinary intellectual contortion that your fierce groupist loyalty has left you knotted in?
I think he is bringing up good points.
How do jw handle the official prophesies that did not come true. It looks like there is a documented list of failed prophecies from around 1976 and 1914.
Do they pull the mormon thing of claming old prophets don't count and only modern prophets count?
