11 Aug 07
Originally posted by whodeySeems like you might be missing the entire point. Just because one has sinned, doesn't mean that one has to continue sinning. The point is to mature beyond the desire to sin and to live a life of justice, compassion, love, etc.
Cast the first post. How many out there think they have never sinned or think they know someone who has never sinned?
11 Aug 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWhodey hasn't made his point yet; he merely asked a question. The issue is whether or not anyone can be spotless, sinless, holy and perfect -- in totality -- from birth to death.
Seems like you might be missing the entire point. Just because one has sinned, doesn't mean that one has to continue sinning. The point is to mature beyond the desire to sin and to live a life of justice, compassion, love, etc.
11 Aug 07
Originally posted by epiphinehasDo you really think anyone so incapable of understanding what whodey said as to require you to translate?
Whodey hasn't made his point yet; he merely asked a question. The issue is whether or not anyone can be spotless, sinless, holy and perfect -- in totality -- from birth to death.
11 Aug 07
Originally posted by epiphinehas(king James Version)(Luke)
How do you know? Be precise.
(Lk-1-5)(THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
(Lk-1-6)(And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.)
11 Aug 07
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Originally posted by epiphinehas(king James Version)(Ezekiel)
Furthermore, are you without sin? If not, what hope do you have of getting into heaven?
(Ez-18-21)(But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.)
(Ez-18-22)(All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.)
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(king James Version)(Psalms)
(Ps-103-2)(Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: )
(Ps-103-3)(Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; )
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(Nobel-Translation)(Az-Zumar)(o 53 o)(53. Say: "O 'Ibâdî -My slaves- who have transgressed against themselves -by committing evil deeds and sins-! Despair not of the Mercy of Allâh, verily Allâh forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. )
11 Aug 07
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Originally posted by ahosyneyNo one is righteous before God except through faith. Just because they obey all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord does not indicate they are perfectly sinless. For example, no matter how perfectly the OT Jews obeyed God's commandments and ordinances, there was still the necessity for animal sacrifices in order to cover 'the sins of the people'.
(king James Version)(Luke)
(Lk-1-5)(THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
(Lk-1-6)(And they were both [b]righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.)[/b]
EDIT: your quote from Ezekiel underscores my point: obeying commandments and ordinances is done out of faith, and is not an indication that a person is 'sinless'.
11 Aug 07
Originally posted by epiphinehasSure it proves something. It proves that you don't believe in your own Bible.
No one is righteous before God except through faith. Just because they obey all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord does not indicate they are perfectly sinless. For example, no matter how perfectly the OT Jews obeyed God's commandments and ordinances, there was still the necessity for animal sacrifices in order to cover 'the sins of the people'.
This proves nothing.
The bible say they are righteous before GOD , and you say no one is. So what can I do?
They are blameless as the Bible say, but you don't believe that, so what can I do?
Where in the OT it say no one is righteous before GOD?