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I may be the original “Thread Killer,” but when I leave RHP later this week, Karoly can more than fill my shoes.
Karoly’s unique fly by the seat of his pants, say anything ambiguity stops serious discussions dead in their tracks and leaves online trolls scratching their heads about how to proceed in such unchartered territory.
Wow!
11 Jun 18
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelWe create and mold our world views, which may or may not be a reflection of reality. We
Yes we create our own realities,
"co-create" would be more apt. The neutral zone is a sham
can hate people for all the things we believe they are doing, but what if we are falsely
accusing them in our hearts needlessly? Reality does not depend upon us, we can hold
views that may or may not be true, and if they are not true that isn't reality that is just an
opinion that is based upon something that is in error. The deception is that some think
they have it all understood, and what they think is a correct interpretation of the truth.
Consider the conversation of God, there has been some discussion about Him and many
have views that they use to describe God, His abilities, His limitations, His likes and
dislikes, what He may or may not be compelled to do under various situations. The god
between our ears may not be an accurate view of the reality of God, and if we dismiss
the god between our ears are we really dismissing the real God? Our views can clash
with reality and we can end up with more than a few false assumptions directing our
thoughts, because we are imperfect creatures with a fair amount of arrogance, believe
we can have it all figured out when we are so far removed from the truth.
11 Jun 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelWhat?
Long story short : you are God but no one is above the Lord.
There is only one mind and your brain is like an antenna.
I can teach any who would listen
23 Jun 18
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Originally posted by @rajk9992 Chronicles 19
Can we really grasp who He is, without His help?
[b] All the help in understanding who God is and who Christ is, is provided by Jesus His Son and written in the Gospels
Can we do anything to make Him act one way or another ?
Yes .. righteousness makes God happy, sin makes God angry
Can we bribe Him,
Yes. God can be bribed with go ...[text shortened]... as well ie good works and righteousness which is the key to entry into the Kingdom of God. [/b]
7 Now then, let the fear of the Lord be upon you. Be careful what you do, for there is no injustice with the Lord our God, or partiality or taking bribes.”
23 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayChristians promote the idea that God is unjust and impartial.
2 Chronicles 19
7 Now then, let the fear of the Lord be upon you. Be careful what you do, for there is no injustice with the Lord our God, or partiality or taking bribes.”
23 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Actually He is Just and Holy, and so far beyond us there is nothing we can do to force Him
Christians promote the idea that God is unjust and impartial.
to anything. We cannot bribe Him, He is so good and Holy He will accept nothing perfect,
He owns the whole universe so there is nothing we can give to impress Him. The fact that
you believe you can impress Him into letting you and unbelievers who have rejected Him
into His Kingdom suggests a unjust God. Its your views that do that, as you paint millions
of people *Christians* evil by saying they all do this or that.
26 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayYou really are screwed up big time.
Actually He is Just and Holy, and so far beyond us there is nothing we can do to force Him
to anything. We cannot bribe Him, He is so good and Holy He will accept nothing perfect,
He owns the whole universe so there is nothing we can give to impress Him. The fact that
you believe you can impress Him into letting you and unbelievers who have rejected Him ...[text shortened]... do that, as you paint millions
of people *Christians* evil by saying they all do this or that.
Precious little in that post can be supported in the Bible.
26 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayIm interested in what Jesus says mostly.
Feel free to question what points are not Biblical I will respond.
On the one hand Christians proclaim that Jesus is the way and the truth
Then they proceed to say what many others say and ignore Jesus.
Your post is based on what Christians call the 'depravity of man'
It is a foolish and unbiblical doctrine.
Why? Mostly because Jesus never preached it.
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Actually He is Just and Holy, and so far beyond us there is nothing we can do to force Him to anything.
[Wrong - many people impressed with their good works]
We cannot bribe Him,
[Yes. God can be bribed with good works and righteousness]
He is so good and Holy He will accept nothing perfect,
[Where is this in the Bible]
He owns the whole universe so there is nothing we can give to impress Him.
[As stated before God is impressed with good works]
The fact that you believe you can impress Him into letting you and unbelievers who have rejected Him into His Kingdom suggests a unjust God.
[a man who helps the poor and needy is helping God. A man who does not help the poor and needy is the man who is rejecting God]
Its your views that do that, as you paint millions of people *Christians* evil by saying they all do this or that.
[ Christians who do not live according to the commandments of Christ are in fact evil]
27 Jun 18
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Originally posted by @rajk999You are long on opinion, sort on Biblical text.
Im interested in what Jesus says mostly.
On the one hand Christians proclaim that Jesus is the way and the truth
Then they proceed to say what many others say and ignore Jesus.
Your post is based on what Christians call the 'depravity of man'
It is a foolish and unbiblical doctrine.
Why? Mostly because Jesus never preached it.
******************** ...[text shortened]... or that.
[ Christians who do not live according to the commandments of Christ are in fact evil]
God is Holy, Just, and indeed far beyond us, so that in the OT before grace even coming
in contact with God resulted in death. Prophets cried out that they were unclean men,
living among unclean men. When they drew near Him, when someone touched the Ark
that was not done properly they were stuck down for it. I guess according to you, the god
you deal with isn't all that impressive, either that or you are failing to grasp how Holy God
is, and evil men are. When Moses came to the burning bush where God was speaking to
Him the very ground around Him was Holy and Moses was told to remove His shoes.
God cannot be bribed, not with works or anything. I'm not sure what god you are referring
to but it isn't the God of the Bible. You have a very high opinion of good works, that they
could cause God to do something He would otherwise be unwilling to do. I'd say if God
can be bribed than He isn't very Just or Holy, just as a policeman or a judge if they can
be bribed they are not acting righteously.
He is so good and Holy He will accept nothing that isn't perfect.
Leviticus 22:21
And when anyone offers a sacrifice of peace offerings to the Lord to fulfill a vow or as a freewill offering from the herd or from the flock, to be accepted it must be perfect; there shall be no blemish in it.
Matthew 5:48
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,
(Please note: He became the source of eternal salvation to those that obey Him, not
those that are attempting to bribe Him with good works. Outside of Jesus Christ you are
not clean before God.)
2 Chronicles 19:7
Now then, let the fear of the Lord be upon you. Be careful what you do, for there is no injustice with the Lord our God, or partiality or taking bribes.”
You actually think you can impress God? He created the universe, holds it all together by
the power of His Word, He resides eternal unchanging from everlasting to everlasting
and you can impress Him by doing good works? Good works do not cleans you of sins,
that would be the shed blood of Jesus Christ, good works do not alter a sinful heart, that
would be the Holy Spirit of God given to those that obey Him.
Your constant misrepresenting of being saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ
does not change the fact that when we obey God, we are given His Spirit, to do the works
He has for us. You think because you are earning your way into being worthy you are
better, but the fact is your trusting in your efforts not the grace God has given to all of us
so you will die in your sins regardless of how many good works you do. Again, good
works are not what makes us righteous, they are just things the righteous do.
Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Romans 9:32
Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone,
Galatians 2:16
yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Ephesians 2:9
not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
2 Timothy 1:9
who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Titus 3:5
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
After all of these scriptures you still believe God can be bribed with works you do?
We are to do good works, yes, not denying that, being given the Spirit of God allows us to
follow the Holy Spirit to do the works of God.
Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.
People who do not have God's Spirit do not belong to God, you need me to quote those
scriptures to you again?
27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayGod loves good and righteous people.
You are long on opinion, sort on Biblical text.
God is Holy, Just, and indeed far beyond us, so that in the OT before grace even coming
in contact with God resulted in death. Prophets cried out that they were unclean men,
living among unclean men. When they drew near Him, when someone touched the Ark
that was not done properly they were stuck down fo ...[text shortened]... not have God's Spirit do not belong to God, you need me to quote those
scriptures to you again?
God hates sinners.
End of Story
27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999God loves sinners, that was why He came for us.
God loves good and righteous people.
God hates sinners.
End of Story
He hates sin!
None of us are righteous before God on our own, not one.
You really don't have a grasp of the gospel do you?
27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayThe Depravity of Man Gospel? Its a bunch of nonsense.
God loves sinners, that was why He came for us.
He hates sin!
None of us are righteous before God on our own, not one.
You really don't have a grasp of the gospel do you?
God love sinners. Is there a reference for that?
Nobody is righteous on their own?
Who cares.
The OT has a long list of righteous people
How do you figure out on their own or not on their own.
God loves the righteous and hates the sinners.
27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Then by your own admission, God hates you. End of story.
God hates sinners.
End of Story