Originally posted by @rajk999Who did Jesus lay down his life for if not for sinners? It's amazing what hoops you will jump through in order to deny the obvious.
That is not John 15:16.
Serious posters dont make stupid mistakes like that.
You post is completely irrelevant to what I said.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerHowever, Love and 'burning people for all eternity in the fires of hell' most certainly are.
Love and justice are not mutually exclusive.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeAccording to which objective standard?
However, Love and 'burning people for all eternity in the fires of hell' most certainly are.
If there are no moral absolutes how could you even start to postulate that it would always be immoral for anyone (never mind God) to burn people in the fires of hell for eternity?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNot yours, clearly.
According to which objective standard?
If there are no moral absolutes how could you even start to postulate that it would always be immoral for anyone (never mind God) to burn people in the fires of hell for eternity?
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeJustice, and Holiness does demand that for the evil done the guilty pay for their deeds,
However, Love and 'burning people for all eternity in the fires of hell' most certainly are.
the love of God seeks to spare but when that grace is ignored that God gave, then what
is left requires a recompense for evil. Since God is Holy and Just He cannot just over
look sins or all the evil we do, He either acts against that or His nature of being good is
corrupted by His inaction. Since He will remain faithful to His nature it is therefore
guaranteed every word, deed, thought will have be accounted for one way or the other.
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999There is no one righteous before God, He loved sinners so He saves them. He knew we
Yeah right. God loves sinners so much he will destroy them all.
could not become good enough on our own, so He dealt with that so we could receive His
grace and mercy giving us the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ, not through
human effort, being good by comparing ourselves by ourselves. The self-righteous
among us make it clear in their speech and deeds what righteousness they are trusting in
and everything about themselves from their works to words are all self centered, not
Jesus Christ grace and mercy offered by God to a sinful world.
Romans 3:10
as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;
Luke 15:7
Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjay"Since God is Holy and Just He cannot just over look sins or all the evil we do."
Justice, and Holiness does demand that for the evil done the guilty pay for their deeds,
the love of God seeks to spare but when that grace is ignored that God gave, then what
is left requires a recompense for evil. Since God is Holy and Just He cannot just over
look sins or all the evil we do, He either acts against that or His nature of being good is ...[text shortened]... therefore
guaranteed every word, deed, thought will have be accounted for one way or the other.
Doesn't His incapability to overlook sin compromise His omnipotence?
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayAll that nonsense is what has caused the church to go astray, and for church members to become lazy and complacent, relishing in their sins, constantly boasting of their sins and how they are always in need of forgiveness, over and over.
There is no one righteous before God, He loved sinners so He saves them. He knew we
could not become good enough on our own, so He dealt with that so we could receive His
grace and mercy giving us the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ, not through
human effort, being good by comparing ourselves by ourselves. The self-righteous
among us make it ...[text shortened]... aven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
If you think God likes people like that or wants them in his kingdom you are sadly mistaken. You will be cast out.
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeNo
"Since God is Holy and Just He cannot just over look sins or all the evil we do."
Doesn't His incapability to overlook sin compromise His omnipotence?
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Quite the judge you are!
All that nonsense is what has caused the church to go astray, and for church members to become lazy and complacent, relishing in their sins, constantly boasting of their sins and how they are always in need of forgiveness, over and over.
If you think God likes people like that or wants them in his kingdom you are sadly mistaken. You will be cast out.
Originally posted by @kellyjayJesus is the judge who you ignoring and leaning toward your church doctrine.
Quite the judge you are!
Jesus must have told people a thousand times 'Go and sin no more'. Yet all you can talk about is how God loves sinners and angels loves sinners more than the righteous. All people are sinners. You are glorifying sin and evil, and ill speaking righteousness.
You have no Spirit of Christ in you.
You are a complete fraud.
Further proof of these is your take on Matt 7, where Jesus calls certain people 'workers of iniquity', and yet you choose to call them 'good workers', and concluding that good works are evil.
You call sin / evil, good
You call good / righteous, sinful
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999If you believed that then you would be taking everything said by Jesus as seriously as every other word of Jesus.
Jesus is the judge who you ignoring and leaning toward your church doctrine.
Jesus must have told people a thousand times 'Go and sin no more'. Yet all you can talk about is how God loves sinners and angels loves sinners more than the righteous. All people are sinners. You are glorifying sin and evil, and ill speaking righteousness.
You have no Spiri ...[text shortened]... luding that good works are evil.
You call sin / evil, good
You call good / righteous, sinful