How can a loving God allow cancer to exist

Originally posted by @dj2becker
You don't know it was borrowed. You are merely making an unfounded assertion.

Human attempt to grasp the spiritual is an old old story. One hand, honest quest. Other hand, system of control. Don't you ever read or observe outside of your comfort zone? The elements of your christian story are fertile. That's why we've been using them over and over again.

Originally posted by @sonhouse...
You just love to separate humans into us and them so you can continue to feel so superior.

Projection! Dishonesty posing as honesty to discredit actual honesty. In the name of the gods!

Originally posted by @apathist
Human attempt to grasp the spiritual is an old old story. One hand, honest quest. Other hand, system of control. Don't you ever read or observe outside of your comfort zone? The elements of your christian story are fertile. That's why we've been using them over and over again.

Are you going to keep on shifting the goal posts or are you going to provide evidence of your assertions?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Are you going to keep on shifting the goal posts or are you going to provide evidence of your assertions?

Aw shoot. You are truly unaware here? You aren't like a flat-earther looking for lulz?

Here's a tiny little taste. For more, just try google or something.

https://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-bible-is-fiction-a-collection-of-evidence/

Originally posted by @apathist
Aw shoot. You are truly unaware here? You aren't like a flat-earther looking for lulz?

Here's a tiny little taste. For more, just try google or something.

https://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-bible-is-fiction-a-collection-of-evidence/

i see only more assertions with no references.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
i see only more assertions with no references.

Right. You need your hand held through this. References were there. You just don't want to go learn. That is the fact of the matter.

Originally posted by @apathist
Right. You need your hand held through this. [b]References were there. You just don't want to go learn. That is the fact of the matter.[/b]

Not a single reference for any of the claims. Quote the ones you saw. 😕

Misfortune has a place in God's plan. it manifests with those who love God that He is able to overcome any misfortune in the total scheme of things. This is promised to be worked out by God with those who love God and are called according to His purpose.

" And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." (Rom.8:28)

Of course no one should go out seeking for misfortune to come. But it will come in one form or another. The Christian can call upon God Who transcends time to operate His eternal power and cause all things, and I mean "all things" to work together for the believer's good in relation to God's eternal purpose.

God's giving of Himself into our lives exceeds our capacity. We cannot exhaust His grace. We may limit Him because we are stinted and narrow. The greatest misfortune, the execution of the Son of God, God operated in a positive way to save the world. This demonstrates that He indeed can cause all things to work together for good to those who love Him and are called according to His purpose.

Cancer is temporary.
Disease and death itself are temporary.
We know that soon all these negative things of the fall of man will be swallowed up in victory. We'll look around and death and pain and sorrow will be no more.

Originally posted by @sonship
Misfortune has a place in God's plan. it manifests with those who love God that He is able to overcome any misfortune in the total scheme of things.

What place do you think cancer has in God's plan for those who don't believe he exists?

Originally posted by @fmf
What place do you think cancer has in God's plan for those who don't believe he exists?

If I had cancer it would drive me into God. And that would cause more of God to be worked into the "fabric" of my being. If I had cancer it would be like no way out except up. And that would cause the divine nature of Christ to be wrought more into my being.

In Second Corinthian Paul speaks of the light momentary affliction is working out for them the eternal weight of glory.

"For our momentary lightness of affliction works out for us, more and more surpassingly, an eternal weight of glory, because we do not regard the things which are seen but the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporary, but t he things which are not seen are eternal." (2 Cor. 4:18)

I have seen saints be victorious even in cancer.
I would not go out looking to get cancer. But I would remember the overcoming faith in those brothers and sisters in Christ who enjoyed Christ in their sickness. Some died.
I have seen also their surviving spouses overcome in faith who survived them.

They hung on to the faithful promise that God is able to cause all things to work together for good to them. He is faithful.

FMF: What place do you think cancer has in God's plan for those who don't believe he exists?

Originally posted by @sonship
If I had cancer it would drive me into God. And that would cause more of God to be worked into the "fabric" of my being. If I had cancer it would be like no way out except up. And that would cause the divine nature of Christ to be wrought more into my being.

So, with regard to what you think "God's plan" is, you are suggesting that the purpose of cancer is to drive people towards God?

Paul says that he and his co-workers (under extreme suffering) we earthen vessels with a excellent treasure within. And it was a powerful living treasure able to overcome. Torture tested and always able to overcome.

The apostles suffer in Christ to the extreme. Sometimes the believers will suffer for suffering can hardly be avoided in this world.

"But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not out of us.

We are pressed on every side but not constricted, unable to find a way out but not utterly without a way out; Persecuted but not abandoned; cast down but not destroyed; always bearing about in the body the putting to death of Jesus that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body." (vs. 8-10)

This caused them to trust in the God of resurrection. Their victory is a reason why the gospel and the Christian church is still here 2,000 some years of torture testing today.

"For we who are alive are always being delivered unto death for Jesus' sake that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.

So then death operates in us, but [divine] life in you.... Knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will make us stand before Him with you.

For all things are for your sakes that the grace which has abounded through the greater number may cause the thanksgiving to abound to the glory of God." (vs. 13,15)

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Not a single reference for any of the claims. Quote the ones you saw. 😕

References for what?

Originally posted by @apathist
References for what?

For all the historical claims.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
For all the historical claims.

I did not make all the historical claims. So... I think you are creating a diversion. Well done.