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Originally posted by @apathistSo if there is this deeper need,
So if there is this deeper need, god is unable to address both that deeper need and kid cancer successfully, so he's not all powerful, or he doesn't bother to address both and so he is not all loving.
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That's not what I think.
That's definitely not my experience.
"The Great Physician" is another nickname of Christ.
No one can do an "inside job" like God.
Jesus Christ can get down on the inside more than any other person you'll ever know.
god is unable to address both that deeper need and kid cancer successfully, so he's not all powerful, or he doesn't bother to address both and so he is not all loving.
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Too many testimonies in history contradict this.
Its too bad that the new atheism is spreading like syphilis in the minds of people via the Internet these days. I expect the slander to grow worse and worse.
And I expect Christ to become more and more real to those not deceived by this new atheist hype.
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Originally posted by @fabianfnasIf I claimed that I have not known God I would be a liar.
And neither do anyone. Anyone who claims he knows god, he is a liar.
If I taught that Jesus Christ was not Who He said He IS, I would be a liar.
I don't want to be a liar.
Jesus Christ has been faithful to the point that I know it is not me.
Concerning some things not yet seen, I am persuaded that He will be yet as faithful.
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We certainly should not go out looking for tragedy or misfortune.
But if it comes the wise person will not waste it on unbelief or despair.
There is the God of resurrection.
He may heal.
He may cause the sickness to drive you UP because the only way out is UP and into Him.
Gaining Him in the soul is for eternity.
God has more than one way cause men and women, boys and girls to overcome because He is always able to get underneath us.
This Christian man wrote a book about Cancer and Christ.
"Dont' Waste Your Cancer"
http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/dont-waste-your-cancer
Originally posted by @sonshipDo you think your ideology can be legitimately characterized by those who don't believe it as being a kind of "syphilis in the mind" too? Would it be a legitimate bit of discourse to use the syphilis metaphor in that way?
Its too bad that the new atheism is spreading like syphilis in the minds of people via the Internet these days. I expect the slander to grow worse and worse.
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Originally posted by @fmf
Do you think your ideology can be legitimately characterized by those who don't believe it as being a kind of "syphilis in the mind" too? Would it be a legitimate bit of discourse to use the syphilis metaphor in that way?
"Do you think your ideology ...?"
I think I don't speak from my mere personal ideology but from the truth.
Ie. the so called "ideology" of the whole universe.
it is spiritually and morally unclean to believe that God does not exist.
If there were no remedy for this uncleaness, then that would be much worse.
But there is a cure for the sickness.
If you had syphilis you would want the doctor to be honest with you.
If you are smart you would wish that she or he not mince words to tread lightly on your feelings, but give you a frank and honest diagnosis.
The New Testament says that the talk of some who oppose God will spread like the disease of gangrene.
"But avoid profane, vain babblings, for they will advance to more ungodliness, And their word will spread like gangrene, of whom are Hymenaeus and Philetus." (2 Timothy 2:16,17)
I will take the responsibility for saying that some people are spreading new atheism around to increase "ungodliness" in a similar manner on the Internet. And instead of "gangrene" I am getting a similar effect by using the disease of syphilis.
However, because of my own uncleanness of once opposing the Gospel of God, I leave open the possibility that even the worst offender [edited] can be healed.
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Originally posted by @wolfgang59I don't think knowing the truth is an elite matter for a people intrinsically better in themselves from other people.
How did you acquire this special power?
And how is the "Truth" compatible with your "mere personal ideology"?
God's revelation of the truth is given to the world.
Its there for you.
Its there for me.
God is special. Christ is special.
You and I are potential recipients of God's mercy.
That's about it for elite like "special powers".
Turning and repentance are as available to you as they were to me.
You could take a candle and pass the flame across the country. You could pass the flame from candle to candle over miles and even down through years.
The fire is rather special. But the ones passing it on from one receiver to the next are only conveyors or messengers. That one has the flame and another has not yet received the flame is only a matter of time. It is not a matter of she who was before being intrinsically superior to him who receives it afterwards.
"So you think you're special ? "
I rather think of it has a timing matter in this passing on the flame of truth to others.
If you receive Jesus Christ as Lord then you'll have to pass it on.
And then someone well probably say of you -
"So you have special powers huh ? "
But you too will just be passing on the flame.
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Again, worth reading.
"Don't Waste Your Cancer"
This Christian had experience and not just rocking chair skepticism.
I don't have that same experience. I do have other experiences of God causing all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those called according to His purpose.
Will it hurt some of you to READ this man's testimony and advice ?
http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/dont-waste-your-cancer
30 Sep 17
Originally posted by @sonshipI would find a direct answer to my question about discourse more interesting.
I think I don't speak from my mere personal ideology but from the truth.
Ie. the so called "ideology" of the whole universe.
it is spiritually and morally unclean to believe that God does not exist.
If there were no remedy for this uncleaness, then that would be much worse.
But there is a cure for the sickness.
If you had syphilis you would want ...[text shortened]... ospel of God, I leave open the possibility that even the worst offender [edited] can be healed.
Here it is again:
Do you think your ideology can be legitimately characterized by those who don't believe it as being a kind of "syphilis in the mind" too? Would it be a legitimate bit of discourse to use the syphilis metaphor in that way?
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Originally posted by @fmfI would find a direct answer to my question about discourse more interesting.
I would find a direct answer to my question about discourse more interesting.
Here it is again:
Do you think your ideology can be legitimately characterized by those who don't believe it as being a kind of "syphilis in the mind" too? Would it be a legitimate bit of discourse to use the syphilis metaphor in that way?
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What you find more interesting may not determine what answer you get.
Here it is again:
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I saw it the first time.
30 Sep 17
Originally posted by @sonshipOf course what you propagate is an ideology, and while it may well - in your imagination anyway - apply to "the whole universe", it certainly isn't the ideology of "the whole universe".
I think I don't speak from my mere personal ideology but from the truth.
Ie. the so called "ideology" of the whole universe.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeStill no answer and everyone knows why. If you invoke a subjective moral law it only applies to you and no one else so you cannot say God should abide by your moral standards. If you invoke an objective moral law you need to posit a moral law giver, in that case God would be the moral law giver and it is His existence you are trying to disprove and not prove. In essence your argument implodes.
And there we have it.
Mental implosion.