10 Oct 14
Originally posted by RJHindsYou do know the difference between magma layers and ocean floor sediment, right? Just because Mt. Ste. Helens made a 25 foot deep 'grand' canyon in no way refutes the multi million year history of the grand canyon. AND what is UNDERNEATH the grand canyon. There are layers MILES deep BENEATH the GC that your stupid flood theory can't account for. You lose yet again, in your self lobotomized autoignorance stance.
Bill Nye is apparently ignorant of the 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption and the subsequent forming of the little grand canyon.
http://creationevangelismtools.org/resources/articles/mount-st-helens-and-the-global-flood/
Little Grand Canyon Formed in 1980
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IENCRTMp8vc
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10 Oct 14
Originally posted by josephwI thought it would be obvious since I only left those two words in the quote box. Scientific wizardry makes about as much sense as altruistic capitalism. One defeats the other, so it's either scientific or magical; can't be both.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm not asking for a definition. I want to know what you mean [b]is self-contradictory about the post you replied to.
Or you can just keep obfuscating.[/b]
Originally posted by C HessThat's one of my problems. If it's obvious I usually miss it.
I thought it would be obvious since I only left those two words in the quote box. Scientific wizardry makes about as much sense as altruistic capitalism. One defeats the other, so it's either scientific or magical; can't be both.
In the abstract, "scientific wizardry" makes perfect sense. Just as with the Bible, when someone wants it to mean something other than what it truly means, all one needs to do is juxtapose the various statements and phrases with an idea that isn't supported by the actual facts.
The same goes with anything. If one wants one thing to mean something else all they have to do is massage the words into something palatable to ignorant ears and minds too willing to follow, and too lazy to think for themselves.
It is indeed scientific wizardry to use science to support a theory that can't be proven, while cramming the concept of evolution down our throats. It's all bunk. Mountains of research compiling billions of pages and not a shred of real evidence.
While a book with only a few hundred thousand words explains it all with perfect clarity.
It's as if believing in God was going to spoil the funeral. Believe in evolution and die. What a great discovery science has found. No God. Just death.
Scientific wizardry.
10 Oct 14
Originally posted by josephwIt's always a matter of IF god did it, and so forth. IF god didn't do it, you are in deep doo doo. I think a religious argument can be made for a god rolling the dice that started our universe, science can't counter that. But the idea that some god would be so perverse as to make a 6000 year old universe LOOK 14 billion years old is just human pandering. That would be like us making a one mile high jar of dirt and predigging little tunnels in it and letting ants fill them up. It would make no sense, a god trying to trip up humans? What for? For one thing, the tripping up part just happened within the last 100 years or so meaning for the entire existence of humans, 99% of the time there was no tripping anyone since they didn't know squat about the universe in the first place. So the tripping up part was meant for US in this century or century 20 and any other life form in any number of galaxies that may have been below our present development and then coming into our level of technology. It would be for them and ONLY for them the screw with the mind thing was meant.
That's one of my problems. If it's obvious I usually miss it.
In the abstract, "scientific wizardry" makes perfect sense. Just as with the Bible, when someone wants it to mean something other than what it truly means, all one needs to do is juxtapose the various statements and phrases with an idea that isn't supported by the actual facts.
The same goe ...[text shortened]... n and die. What a great discovery science has found. No God. Just death.
Scientific wizardry.
All that says is YEC's put humans on such a high platform as to actually be in the sights of some god. Where the actuality is more like we are being ignored and the same with all the other life forms in the universe.
On the scale of the universe we are about the level of microbes and a god would not have much interest in humans. A god would be playing with its universe design kit, seeing what pops up but not setting things up so WOW, humans were DESIGNED to be here.
I think that is the ultimate arrogance of the human race to think a god would give a rats asss about humans.
It would be more likely to be more interested in bacteria since they make a world livable.
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Originally posted by josephwCrap! My brain just exploded. Damn you. ðŸ˜
It is indeed scientific wizardry to use science to support a theory that can't be proven, while cramming the concept of evolution down our throats. It's all bunk. Mountains of research compiling billions of pages and not a shred of real evidence.
And it'll take all night putting it back together too. 😞
You must have the highest degree in willfull ignorance.
10 Oct 14
Originally posted by C HessWell something or someone pulled everything in our universe of the nothing hat.
I thought it would be obvious since I only left those two words in the quote box. Scientific wizardry makes about as much sense as altruistic capitalism. One defeats the other, so it's either scientific or magical; can't be both.
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11 Oct 14
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Originally posted by KellyJayHave you considered the possibility of everything needed to create matter always being there, eternal but oh so simple in nature, and that the big bang was a spontaneous event, the likes of which happens every now and then due to the properties of this eternal non-matter? Seems far more plausible to me than an eternal intelligence; no magic hat required.
Well something or someone pulled everything in our universe of the nothing hat.
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11 Oct 14
Originally posted by C HessNo, because if everything was here, then everything was here so the
Have you considered the possibility of everything needed to create matter always being there, eternal but oh so simple in nature, and that the big bang was a spontaneous event, the likes of which happens every now and then due to the properties of this eternal non-matter? Seems far more plausible to me than an eternal intelligence; no magic hat required.
question wasn't answered now was it?
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11 Oct 14
Originally posted by sonhouseYou and your stupid evolutionists don't know what is UNDERNEATH the grand canyon.
You do know the difference between magma layers and ocean floor sediment, right? Just because Mt. Ste. Helens made a 25 foot deep 'grand' canyon in no way refutes the multi million year history of the grand canyon. AND what is UNDERNEATH the grand canyon. There are layers MILES deep BENEATH the GC that your stupid flood theory can't account for. You lose ye ...[text shortened]... then I can deny deny deny with out creating the slightest mental ripple in my self addled brain"
11 Oct 14
Originally posted by sonhouse"But the idea that some god would be so perverse as to make a 6000 year old universe LOOK 14 billion years old is just human pandering."
It's always a matter of IF god did it, and so forth. IF god didn't do it, you are in deep doo doo. I think a religious argument can be made for a god rolling the dice that started our universe, science can't counter that. But the idea that some god would be so perverse as to make a 6000 year old universe LOOK 14 billion years old is just human pandering. Th ...[text shortened]... s.
It would be more likely to be more interested in bacteria since they make a world livable.
But how do you know the universe looks 14 billion years old? Because science says so?
Just hold on a second, don't go blowing a gasket like C Hess did!
What difference does it make whether the universe is 6 thousand years old or 14 billion years old? How old is science? How old is our knowledge of anything? The universe may as well have been in existence forever for all it matters.
But I hold this one thing to be true. God created the universe and everything in it. I only know that it was "In the beginning", whenever that was. It doesn't matter.
What matters is that God created it. If God didn't create it, then we live in vain because nothing we do today will matter a billion years from now. If there is no God who has eternal life to give upon the asking, and I die to live no more, then that is the most depressing thing imaginable.
I believe in and have a sure hope of the unimaginable. It's unimaginable because the idea of eternal life could not have been imagined by man if he were merely a product of evolution. Eternal life comes from the mind of God who is the author and creator of all things!
How one can ascribe to evolution the development of the concept of a creator God is beyond imagination. Silly it is to say that man invented God as a means of explaining the unknown by reason of ignorance. It is the ignorance of the knowledge of God that causes man to produce ideas contrary to the truth about the origin of the universe.