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Originally posted by FMF
I am not a vegetarian, vishvahetu. I eat meat. Slaughter houses are where meat is produced for human consumption. I have no objection to the slaughter of animals for food. I do not support the deliberate, excessive or unnecessary infliction of pain and suffering, and so I clearly do not support "cruelty".

I am not petitioning you to directly and quickly give up meat eating, but I am asking you to acknowledged that whether you like it or not, that slaughter house and the confinement of animals therein, cause suffering to those animals.

When you have agreed to that, I would like you to also agree that the demand for meat is directly associated to the people who eat meat, meaning if no one ate meat, then slaughter houses would go out of production, and animals would cease to suffer under those conditions.

My only persistence in this matter is that I want you to understand clearly, that I only say that you are dishonest, for denying that you have any implication in the suffering of animals in the slaughter house......... and that it is a false standing

Can you now say, which will make you honest.........that your participation in meat eating is indirectly the cause of suffering, to animals in the slaughter house.

If you can agree to this, then we are done with this discussion, and I now pronounce you an honest person.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
I am not petitioning you to directly and quickly give up meat eating, but I am asking you to acknowledged that whether you like it or not, that slaughter house and the confinement of animals therein, cause suffering to those animals.

When you have agreed to that, I would like you to also agree that the demand for meat is directly associated to the peop ...[text shortened]... agree to this, then we are done with this discussion, and I now pronounce you an honest person.

I disagree with you. Completely. I am a meat eater. My spiritual principles do not prohibit it. Unlike you, I am not a vegetarian. I believe that eating meat is totally legitimate. Slaughter houses are where meat is produced as food. I have no objection to the slaughter of animals for the purposes of human consumption.

"Cruelty" is the deliberate, excessive or unnecessary infliction of pain and suffering. I clearly do not support "cruelty". You clearly think that I do support "cruelty". So we disagree on that.

I would appreciate it if you would stop accusing me of lying in almost every single post. I post honestly and respectfully and I acknowledge your sincerity in almost every single one of my posts.

I have examined "Vedic teachings" in the past and, quite frankly, I am puzzled as to how you could have done so and yet developed such a stark lack common decency and respect. I do not need you to "pronounce [me] an honest person". I simply ask you to stop accusing me of lying when I am posting truthfully about my beliefs.

Originally posted by FMF
One of my key beliefs is that I do not subscribe to a religion and I do not recognize or subscribe to the assertions (and in your case personal abuse) of religionists. I could hardly be more clear.

Religionists, like yourself, "present" their "beliefs" in the form of "instructions" for others to follow. I am not a religionist. I have shared and discussed my s ...[text shortened]... terest. Showing no interest is one of the least insulting ways you have treated me.

Would you kindly inform me where I can find this one particular thread that explains your beliefs please.

If you asked me what my beliefs are, I would (dot point) them in no time and post them up...no problem, it is the spirituality forum anyway.

But that thread for now shall be fine.

Originally posted by FMF
I disagree with you. Completely. I am a meat eater. My spiritual principles do not prohibit it. Unlike you, I am not a vegetarian. I believe that eating meat is totally legitimate. Slaughter houses are where meat is produced as food. I have no objection to the slaughter of animals for the purposes of human consumption.

"Cruelty" is the deliberate, excessive ...[text shortened]... ly ask you to stop accusing me of lying when I am posting truthfully about my beliefs.

Could you respond to the post instead of evading it please.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
If you asked me what my beliefs are, I would (dot point) them in no time and post them up....

Well you are a religionist and I am not. I can reject your assertions about what is "true" for me, and I can endure all the raw personal abuse you heap upon me for my dissent, without having to 'evangelise'.

I am not a religionist so I don't claim to have any "instructions from God" for you. I believe firmly that there is more to spirituality than people turning their speculation into purported "instructions from God".

Having said that, I have posted plenty about my belief system. I have told you dozens of times, when you stop poisoning the well and accusing - preemptively - everyone whose belief system differs from yours of being liars and child abusers and mad and animals, then you might see.

I have already provided you with the title of the thread and the screen name that started it, and yet you still pretend you don't know where it is and feign interest. I wonder what the odds are - when/if you do eventually bother to read the thread - that you are going to go through it and accuse me of lying and mad item by item?

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Could you respond to the post instead of evading it please.

I did. It's no secret that you have authoritarian instincts but an honest and forthright response to a post is an honest and forthright response to a post, whether you like it or not. Just because you don't agree with the response does not make it evasive. You yourself are notorious for not addressing fellow posters' direct questions, and also for very often abusing and insulting those that pose them. I have answered your question and stated my beliefs very clearly.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
If you can agree to this, then we are done with this discussion, and I now pronounce you an honest person.

No, we can't agree on this. I disagree with you. Completely. And vishvahetu, please get this straight, I do not need you to "pronounce [me] an honest person". I simply ask you to stop accusing me of lying when I am quite obviously talking candidly and truthfully about my beliefs.

Originally posted by FMF
Well you are a religionist and I am not. I can reject your assertions about what is "true" for me, and I can endure all the raw personal abuse you heap upon me for my dissent, without having to 'evangelise'.

I am not a religionist so I don't claim to have any "instructions from God" for you. I believe firmly that there is more to spirituality than people tur ...[text shortened]... ead - that you are going to go through it and accuse me of lying and mad item by item?

Instead of typing hundreds of words about the particular thread, you could have simply given me the thread number and place.

I do not know where this particular thread is, could you direct me please.

Also .....I am not a religionists, but I follow Santana Dhama.

Santana Dhama is the eternal occupation of the spiritual soul which cannot change.

Religion can change, and it does change over time.

Vedanta never changes because it is non sectarian and can not be banded together with all the false religions of the world.

Vedanta is above religion.

It could be classified as the Super Religion.

Your attack on Vedanta is baseless because you do not know even the basics of Vedanta but you judge it.

Anyway could you direct me to that thread.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Anyway could you direct me to that thread.

Good grief. You have been given the TITLE of the thread and the SCREEN NAME of the OP's author, which was me, under the different monicker, as I have explained half a dozen times. Enough with this wishy-washy passive aggressive oh I don't know which thread it is stuff.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Vedanta is above religion.

You are misusing the word "religion", vishvahetu.

Originally posted by FMF
Good grief. You have been given the TITLE of the thread and the SCREEN NAME of the OP's author, which was me, under the different monicker, as I have explained half a dozen times. Enough with this wishy-washy passive aggressive oh I don't know which thread it is stuff.

I have no clue of what the thread is.

Could you please tell me, and what would I have to gain by pretending I didn't know.

Do you want me to pour through all the treads searching for it.

Ok .... just tell me the name of the thread and I will do the rest... thank you

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Your attack on Vedanta is baseless because you do not know even the basics of Vedanta but you judge it.

You are misusing the word "baseless", vishvahetu. As I have explained, I have examined Vedic teachings and I have also read hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of your posts. You are misrepresenting my ability to "judge" it.

My attack on Vedanta? I have not been attacking Vedanta, I have been defending myself from the raw personal abuse that you have been dishing out on behalf of purported "Vedic authority".

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Could you please tell me, and what would I have to gain by pretending I didn't know.

I have no idea what you think you have to gain by pretending not to know, indeed I have no idea what you think you have to gain with this latest aspect of your forum behaviour/persona. You have the name of the thread and the name of the OP author. And yet you can't find it. Well, well. And there's the attempt to lash out by calling people who disagree with you "intellectual". How odd your demeanour has become.

Originally posted by FMF
You are misusing the word "baseless", vishvahetu. As I have explained, I have examined Vedic teachings and I have also read hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of your posts. You are misrepresenting my ability to "judge" it.

My attack on Vedanta? I have not been attacking Vedanta, I have been defending myself from the raw personal abuse that you have been dishing out on behalf of purported "Vedic authority".

I haven't attacked your person, but just your dishonesty,

I have hardly scratched the surface on what Vedanta Has to offer, because I spend most of my time battling dishonest persons, and I can never get anywhere close to discussing the higher truths of Vedanta ....I wish I could but do you know how hard it is to find one honest person in this forum, who does not play word games and mind games.

W hats the thread name please

Originally posted by vishvahetu
I haven't attacked your person, but just your dishonesty

You've got to be kidding. Really.