I like that Vishva's here

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Stop fabricating....I have never used the word liar.

Alright then. Why don't you apologise to him for calling him dishonest?

I quickly unearthed eight recent quotes that demonstrated amply that divegeester was not being dishonest.

You really should apologise to him for calling him dishonest. Right now.

Several regular posters have been calling into question your lack of civility and common decency. Here is a chance to repair your image.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Stop fabricating....I have never used the word liar.

I AGREE you havent used the word Liar.

You have implied it to every single person who has responded to you.

You still don't accept that the word 'dishonest' actually IMPLIES liar to the receiver of the word.

In not accepting that, you are dishonest to yourself, and therefore a LIAR to yourself!
If you are capable of lying to yourself without recognising it, then you can be a liar to others, without knowing the same.

Q.E.D.

-m. 😏

Originally posted by vishvahetu
So go away and think about all your trickery you are using to turn wrong into right, and if you are honest you will realize that your behaviour is dishonest.

You DARE write this after what I posted?

You are extremely devious in your choice of words, and then you attack others as if it were them doing what you do.

Either that, or you are the biggest idiot this forum has seen in a while.




Take this quote and read it to yourself in a mirror. Then you may finally understand what everyone in this thread has been thinking.

Originally posted by mikelom
I AGREE you havent used the word Liar.

You have implied it to every single person who has responded to you.

You still don't accept that the word 'dishonest' actually IMPLIES liar to the receiver of the word.

In not accepting that, you are dishonest to yourself, and therefore a LIAR to yourself!
If you are capable of lying to yourself without recognising it, then you can be a liar to others, without knowing the same.

Q.E.D.

-m. 😏

I have explained before, that there is a difference in the two words liar and dishonesty and I carefully do not use the word liar for that purpose.

Dishonesty can and will, cover a whole range of words, actions and thoughts that project untruthfulness.

A lie is more black and white.....and is more obvious.

Dishonesty goes from black to white with a whole lot of grey in between and is less obvious.

This is why I can say a person is dishonest, because I can clearly see the less obvious untruth.

Someone can be dishonest by not saying something.

Someone can be dishonest by exaggerating.

Someone can be dishonest by manipulation.

Some one can be dishonest for implying.

Someone can be dishonest for playing word games to conceal the truth.

So there is a difference between liar and dishonest.

If you say there is not...then you are dishonest.

Originally posted by FMF
Dishonest persons? So what you are saying is, people have to recognize and submit to the "universal truth" of Vedic teachings [b]before you will explain (i.e. more than scratching the surface of) what the Vedic teachings actually are? Is that right?

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Who was that [personal abuse of mine] posted to and what was I r ...[text shortened]... s being talked about, the abuse was justified because it was you who wrote it? Is that right?

I have never abused anyone in this forum, but simply told it how it is.

If a person continually plays mind games and word games, this behaviour is a dishonest tactic to cause disturbance in the forum,

Many persons manipulate the thread with silly talk, and this is also a dishonest tactic meant to create disturbance.

When persons are continually creating conflict and disturbance, this is dishonest behaviour, and I will tell them that.

No one can say that creating disturbance is a truthful endeavour can they.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
I have never abused anyone in this forum, but simply told it how it is.

You have never abused anyone on this forum? Some might perceive the reality differently. How are you going to handle people who might perceive your behaviour as abusive and who assert it here, in public?

Originally posted by FMF
You have never abused anyone on this forum? Some might perceive the reality differently. How are you going to handle people who might perceive your behaviour as abusive and who assert it here, in public?

I am never abusive......but I do tell persons who are playing mind games and presenting falsity in almost every post, that they are foolish or dishonest, because that describes their behaviour perfectly.

If I called someone foolish or dishonest when they are actually not..........then that would be abusive.

If you go to every single post where I have clearly described person behaviour.....you will see that I was responding to either a dishonest comment, or to someone playing mind games for their amusement.

Also to know really if someone is abusive, you would have to understand the intentions of the person, and because we are in cyber space, that cant be done clearly, but I can assure you that when I tell someone they are behaving foolishly, I do so without malice, but like a kind father to a child, telling them to stop playing the fool.

Even if I describe someone's behaviour to the likes of a stool eating pig....it is said without malice, but it is poetic justice.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Also to know really if someone is abusive, you would have to understand the intentions of the person, and because we are in cyber space, that cant be done clearly, .....

So essentially your defense is that you are capable of reading minds via cyberspace but nobody else is? You are being dishonest.

Originally posted by twhitehead
So essentially your defense is that you are capable of reading minds via cyberspace but nobody else is? You are being dishonest.

How do you equate what I said with reading minds..... that's silly.

I can clearly see what is happening, because persons post up their words for all to see.

If I can read words, then I can know what they are presenting.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
I have explained before, that there is a difference in the two words liar and dishonesty and I carefully do not use the word liar for that purpose.

Dishonesty can and will, cover a whole range of words, actions and thoughts that project untruthfulness.

A lie is more black and white.....and is more obvious.

Dishonesty goes from black to white with ...[text shortened]... is a difference between liar and dishonest.

If you say there is not...then you are dishonest.

You own me a simple "sorry mate" for calling me dishonest when all I was doing was paraphrasing your very own words. Whether I get one or not is immaterial; what is of interest and worth of scrutiny however, is the contrast between your daily spiritual posturing and your apparent inability to show a little humility and admit when you are wrong.

Originally posted by divegeester
You own me a simple "sorry mate" for calling me dishonest when all I was doing was paraphrasing your very own words. Whether I get one or not is immaterial; what is of interest and worth of scrutiny however, is the contrast between your daily spiritual posturing and your apparent inability to show a little humility and admit when you are wrong.

When you paraphrase, and your paraphrasing exaggerates or implies that I use words that I would never use, then that is done with malicious intent in mind, and therefore is untruthful conduct.

Besides, you are dishonest by your very nature because you continually support error in the Bible.

You are well aware that much of what the Bible presents is in error, and you support it anyway.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Besides, you are dishonest by your very nature because you continually support error in the Bible.

That's the difference between you and me; I don't like you because you are conceited and self righteous - you don't like me because of what I believe. Your mind-set scares me; it should scare everyone who perceives you.

Originally posted by divegeester
That's the difference between you and me; I don't like you because you are conceited and self righteous - you don't like me because of what I believe. Your mind-set scares me; it should scare everyone who perceives you.

Its got nothing to do with liking a person or not liking a person....actually I like everyone, because my spirituality expects that from me.

Why does my spirituality expect it from me.....because it teaches me to see the real person inside the material body.

The real person inside the material body is not actually doing the things that the body is getting up to.

Am I conceited and self righteous because I stand up for truth and honesty.

It is common that when making corrections about false teachings, that people will feel offended....but an honest person will welcome that correction and will not feel offended.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
Its got nothing to do with liking a person or not liking a person....actually I like everyone, because my spirituality expects that from me.

Why does my spirituality expect it from me.....because it teaches me to see the real person inside the material body.

The real person inside the material body is not actually doing the things that the body is g ...[text shortened]... l feel offended....but an honest person will welcome that correction and will not feel offended.

You are a fool.

You are worse than the most dishonest meat eater could hope to be.

You are the living embodiment of pathetic.

Are these words offensive??????

This is the langauage of a "standard" post you write.

Fark off you whack job and stop damaging Vedantas name whith your filth.

Originally posted by vishvahetu
I am never abusive.

You either sincerely belief - despite all the incontrovertible evidence to the contrary - that you are "never abusive" on this forum, which clearly indicates delusion on your part. Or when you say "I am never abusive", it is a calculated lie on your part. How do you think most of the people here perceive you? Sincere but deluded, or a calculated liar? What do you think?