07 Oct 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo what if the law of man contradicts the law of God? Which would you choose to live under? Would you break the laws of men, specifically to live under the law of God?
I fully support anyone who wishes to live under the law: I'm willing to bet it cannot be done successfully again.
07 Oct 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzAbsolutely. However, in Christ, man is under no law. His submission to Christ allows (demands) obedience to all earthly authority, save but a few areas.
So what if the law of man contradicts the law of God? Which would you choose to live under? Would you break the laws of men, specifically to live under the law of God?
07 Oct 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo do you, after confessing, or praying or whatever it is you do to absolve yourself of sin, then go out stoning adulterers and adulteresses on a Friday night?
Absolutely. However, in Christ, man is under no law. His submission to Christ allows (demands) obedience to all earthly authority, save but a few areas.
07 Oct 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzAgain, the believer is not under the law. We do not live in a theocracy (yet), and even if we did, I am not an agent of that government, even if happen to be a citizen.
So do you, after confessing, or praying or whatever it is you do to absolve yourself of sin, then go out stoning adulterers and adulteresses on a Friday night?
Is there a point you're driving at, since it has already been established that the age of the law has passed?
07 Oct 06
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In the 16th century numbers seemed to be considered success according to what draws the crowds and then a crowd, is used as proof of the truth, maybe one should not pour the clear water of the truth into the muddy wells of the human mind, hatreds doesnt stop through hatred, through love alone does it stop, an eternal law.....and Jesus said, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
gil
possibly Jesus would have been known as Jesus Chrisp!
08 Oct 06
Originally posted by gentlegilburnt to a crisp.... lol
In the 16th century numbers seemed to be considered success according to what draws the crowds and then a crowd, is used as proof of the truth, maybe one should not pour the clear water of the truth into the muddy wells of the human mind, hatreds doesnt stop through hatred, through love alone does it stop, an eternal law.....and Jesus said, "Love your ene ...[text shortened]... for those who persecute you"
gil
possibly Jesus would have been known as Jesus Chrisp!
08 Oct 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSurely, you are not saying that the days of God's law have passed?! If not, then it is your duty to purify yourself of sin and go stone some adultering ass!
Again, the believer is not under the law. We do not live in a theocracy (yet), and even if we did, I am not an agent of that government, even if happen to be a citizen.
Is there a point you're driving at, since it has already been established that the age of the law has passed?
08 Oct 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzThe shadow has been replaced with the reality. The law was a substitute teacher, replaced with the spiritual life afforded us by the substitutionary work of the Christ.
Surely, you are not saying that the days of God's law have passed?! If not, then it is your duty to purify yourself of sin and go stone some adultering ass!
08 Oct 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzI am saying that the Lord Jesus Christ was the only person who kept the entire law and was therefore qualified to be the acceptable sacrifice for sin. That sacrifice has effectively fulfilled the law and caused it to pass away, replaced by the spiritual life available in Him.
So what you are saying is that the OT became null and void once Christ came?
08 Oct 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSO the OT became null and void then? The old laws don't need to be followed any more? Christ may have said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", but he didn't nullify the law that adulteresses need be stoned.
I am saying that the Lord Jesus Christ was the only person who kept the entire law and was therefore qualified to be the acceptable sacrifice for sin. That sacrifice has effectively fulfilled the law and caused it to pass away, replaced by the spiritual life available in Him.