@medullah saidI understand why the act was ordered. I just wish the hypocrites who claim to be Christians, but believe God's instructions in the OT are evil would see their hypocrisy. They need to realize the Bible is not for them and quit pretending to know God.
@Eladar
My question to you is "why was that act ordered?" What was the objection to the Canaanites?
Children of Satan abound around here. They make up the majority of those who claim to be Christian around here, at least the ones I have run into.
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@medullah saidCan you please evidence this statement with writing outside of the Bible?
@Eladar
So what would have been the correct course of action against a people that specialised in abuse of everyone and child sacrifice?
As I have said before, it is common for the victors to write the history books and demonize the ones on the receiving end of the genocide. What if the Canaanites weren't actually the evil cult your Bible paints them as. Would their utter destruction be less palatable?
Scholars doubt that the Canaanites were ever politically united into a single kingdom. In fact, archaeological excavations indicate that the "Canaanites" were actually made up of different ethnic groups. During the Late Bronze Age (1550-1200 B.C.), "Canaan was not made up of a single 'ethnic' group but consisted of a population whose diversity may be hinted at by the great variety of burial customs and cultic structures" wrote Ann Killebrew, an archaeology professor at Penn State University, in her book "Biblical Peoples and Ethnicity" (Society of Biblical Literature, 2005).
So the idea that the Canaanites, as a people, were united in a practice of child sacrifice seems doubtful and more likely propaganda from the Israelites to justify the genocide.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe Canaanites were a people descended from Ham, the cursed son of Noah.
Can you please evidence this statement with writing outside of the Bible?
As I have said before, it is common for the victors to write the history books and demonize the ones on the receiving end of the genocide. What if the Canaanites weren't actually the evil cult your Bible paints them as. Would their utter destruction be less palatable?
Scholars doubt th ...[text shortened]... ild sacrifice seems doubtful and more likely propaganda from the Israelites to justify the genocide.
From Wiki : Curse of Canaan - Main article: Curse of Ham
According to Genesis 9:20–27, Noah became drunk and afterward cursed his grandson Canaan, for the transgression of Canaan's father, Ham. This is the Curse of Canaan, to which the misnomer[12] "Curse of Ham" has been attached since Classical antiquity.[13]
And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. (Genesis 9:20-27 KJV)
Some modern scholars view the curse of Canaan in Genesis 9:20-27 as an early Hebrew rationalization for Israel's conquest of Canaan.[14] When Noah cursed Canaan in Genesis 9:25, he used the expression "Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brethren."NKJV The expression "servant of servants", otherwise translated "slave of slaves",NIV emphasizes the extreme degree of servitude that Canaan will experience in relation to his "brothers".[15] In the subsequent passage, "of Shem... may Canaan be his servant,"[9:26] the narrator is foreshadowing Israel's conquest of the promised land.[16] Biblical scholar Philip R. Davies explains that the author of this narrative used Noah to curse Canaan, in order to provide justification for the later Israelites driving out and enslaving the Canaanites.[17]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan_(son_of_Ham)
Many biblical scholars and etymologists have attributed Tower of Babel and the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah to be the doings of the descendents of Ham and Canaan, and that these descendents typically settled eventually in the continent of Africa.
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@rajk999 saidI asked for evidence outside the writings of the Bible that the Canaanite people were worthy of genocide. The Bible itself simply isn't a reliable source in this regard and many scholars even question the whole Exodus episode.
The Canaanites were a people descended from Ham, the cursed son of Noah.
From Wiki : [i]Curse of Canaan - Main article: Curse of Ham
According to Genesis 9:20–27, Noah became drunk and afterward cursed his grandson Canaan, for the transgression of Canaan's father, Ham. This is the Curse of Canaan, to which the misnomer[12] "Curse of Ham" has been attached since Cl ...[text shortened]... Ham and Canaan, and that these descendents typically settled eventually in the continent of Africa.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI just presented some information on the Canaanites. Its no skin off my back whether they were worthy of genocide or otherwise. The fact is God ordered it, and it was done. Whether or not it is good, bad or ugly is not something Christians should concern themselves with. You as an atheist, I can understand your point of view.
I asked for evidence outside the writings of the Bible that the Canaanite people were worthy of genocide. The Bible itself simply isn't a reliable source in this regard and many scholars even question the whole Exodus episode.
Of course Christians like Eladar continue to do so and will continue to dig up irrelevant matters and ignore the critical teachings of Christ. Eladar and Sonship are two similar Christians will different agendas, [worth ignoring] none of which have any bearing on eternal life and the teachings of Christ.
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I think that this establishes their existence. I'll sort the other stuff out when I can grab a minute.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/ancient-dna-reveals-fate-mysterious-canaanites
https://aleteia.org/2017/08/04/dna-evidence-that-canaanites-werent-wiped-out-actually-confirms-bible-account/
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/28/mystery-ancient-canaanites-finally-solved-genetic-research-shows/519349001/
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@medullah saidThanks. Will read through the links shortly.
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I think that this establishes their existence. I'll sort the other stuff out when I can grab a minute.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/ancient-dna-reveals-fate-mysterious-canaanites
https://aleteia.org/2017/08/04/dna-evidence-that-canaanites-werent-wiped-out-actually-confirms-bible-account/
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/28/mystery-ancient-canaanites-finally-solved-genetic-research-shows/519349001/
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@eladar saidat least the ones I have run into.
I understand why the act was ordered. I just wish the hypocrites who claim to be Christians, but believe God's instructions in the OT are evil would see their hypocrisy. They need to realize the Bible is not for them and quit pretending to know God.
Children of Satan abound around here. They make up the majority of those who claim to be Christian around here, at least the ones I have run into.
Ran into a mirror did you.
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@eladar saidIt is by no means child sacrifice. Show us scriptures please. La la land don't count.
Every abortion is child sacrifice.