07 Mar 09
Originally posted by jaywillI've never heard of a judge who claimed to be love itself before, have you?
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bizarro-love n.
1. The state of caring about someone so much that you will subject them to eternal anguish and torment if they refuse to love you back.
2. The state of caring about someone so much that you will subject them to eternal anguish and torment if they refuse to believe in you.
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...[text shortened]... can drown oneself in such an attitude and put off dealing with God indefinitely.[/b]
Yes, he would get funny looks all around the courtroom. And shocked looks once he sentenced the gossip, candy bar thief, etc. to electrocution.
Forgive me for having this crazy idea that the punishment ought to fit the crime, and that a judge who claims to be love itself ought to show something at least slightly resembling compassion during sentencing.
07 Mar 09
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Originally posted by SwissGambit============================
I've never heard of a judge who claimed to [b]be love itself before, have you?
Yes, he would get funny looks all around the courtroom. And shocked looks once he sentenced the gossip, candy bar thief, etc. to electrocution.
Forgive me for having this crazy idea that the punishment ought to fit the crime, and that a judge who claims to be love itself ought to show something at least slightly resembling compassion during sentencing.[/b]
Forgive me for having this crazy idea that the punishment ought to fit the crime, and that a judge who claims to be love itself ought to show something at least slightly resembling compassion during sentencing.
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Probably our sense of evil of sin is very feeble. In this matter of God's law the law breakers cannot be trusted to judge the right degree of severity for an infraction.
If we were to ask all the rapists in society what they should determine the penalty of rape should be, they probably would vote that there should be none. They have a vested interest in excusing themselves. If the thieves in the world were asked to arrive at the laws regarding stealing and its associated penalties they might make stealing legal anyway. Or perhaps the penalty would be not too uncomfortable.
Can man be trusted to determine what should be the severity of punishment for sins against God ? Nations do not wisely call a convention of burglars to to settle the question of the appropriate punishment for robbing. They would make robbing legal or the penalty rather light.
So you and I cannot determine what should be God's punishment for turning our backs on Lord and Savior, the Son of God.
Neither do we understand the effect of our sins on the whole fabric of eternity. I do not know the ripple effect of my transgressions onto other lives on and on throughout all time.
I would be liable to cry out that God is too severe because I innately wish go easy on myself.
The determination of the duration of punishment cannot be intrusted to us for our sins against divine law.
The design of our punishment cannot be intrusted to us for our sins against divine law.
Furthermore, the magnitude of our rejecting the death of Christ on behalf of our sins cannot be determined by us. We are not impartial and that the Righteous and innocent Son of God has taken up our sins in Himself we may deem as not a big problem.
The responsibility for the determination of these momentous matters is in the hands of God, the ultimate authority.
As for God not showing compassion?
It is impossible for me to seriously entertain this criticism. When I read Luke I see plenty of divine compassion. Even in the Old Testament I see plenty of divine compassion.
I see divine compassion in God extending to the skeptical sinner day after day another opportunity to be saved, when he refuses.
I see divine compassion in that God has alloted the sinner many years of happiness and blessing in spite of his continued refusal to accept God's gracious offer to have Christ be his Savior.
07 Mar 09
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You have had many happy days in life in spite of some problems that all of us cannot completely avoid.
Did you ever turn around after the year's end and thank God for His compassion for those many happy days ?
In spite of some problems, did you ever thank God that at least He spared you this or that misfortune ?
Could you turn around after one month and say "God, I feel that you have been compassionate with me last month. I want to thank you." ?
I mean you could have been in the Twin Towers on 9/11.
You could have had cancer in your brain.
Just in case did you ever thank God for the things which He just may have spared you from in His compassion for you?
Or do you rationalize that you owe your Creator no thanks whatsoever ?
07 Mar 09
How should man, the sinner against a holy God, be an impartial judge of the penalty of sins against God ? His inclinations all running against law, because it restrains and condemns him. It is absurd for the sinner to speak of the penalty as unjust.
It is folly for the sinning man to act, as if his imagination of what God ought to do, would be the real guide to God in the day of judgment.
So we must inquire of the Law Giver as to what the Law Giver is likely to do.
08 Mar 09
Originally posted by jaywillIf this is true, then why do you so readily affirm God's judgments as just? You are a fellow law-breaker. You are not more trustworthy than I in this regard.
Probably our sense of evil of sin is very feeble. In this matter of God's law the law breakers cannot be trusted to judge the right degree of severity for an infraction.
08 Mar 09
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Originally posted by jaywillI was talking about compassion during sentencing, not compassion in general. Try again.
As for God not showing compassion?
It is impossible for me to seriously entertain this criticism. When I read Luke I see plenty of divine compassion. Even in the Old Testament I see plenty of divine compassion.
08 Mar 09
Originally posted by jaywillThis is rubbish. Sheer, unadulterated rubbish.
How should man, the sinner against a holy God, be an impartial judge of the penalty of sins against God ? His inclinations all running against law, because it restrains and condemns him. It is absurd for the sinner to speak of the penalty as unjust.
It is folly for the sinning man to act, as if his imagination of what God ought to do, would be the real ...[text shortened]... y of judgment.
So we must inquire of the Law Giver as to what the Law Giver is likely to do.
If you were taken to court and sentenced to die because you lied about your age on a job application, I'd bet money that you'd protest your sentence. You'd insist that it was too harsh, and demand that it be overturned.
08 Mar 09
Originally posted by divegeesterOK...we're both wrong (re: the original posts)...LOL...I meant "quotation marks". I'm sorry if the truth about where one goes upon death if they are not saved stresses you. Repent!! and be saved!!!!!!
http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/curriculum_literacy/tree/writing/grammarpunc/guidance/6/ ! is an exclamation mark.
EDIT: please just desist in going on in your posts about hell, damnation and peoples sexuality - there is nothing positive in it.
08 Mar 09
Originally posted by SwissGambit======================================
I was talking about compassion [b]during sentencing, not compassion in general. Try again.[/b]
I was talking about compassion during sentencing, not compassion in general. Try again.
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How about a lifetime of patient and long suffering compassion met with procrastination, murmering, unthankfulness, grumbling and accusations?
Why wait until the moment of sentencing ?
Maybe you should try again.
08 Mar 09
Originally posted by SwissGambit=================================
This is rubbish. Sheer, unadulterated rubbish.
If you were taken to court and sentenced to die because you lied about your age on a job application, I'd bet money that you'd protest your sentence. You'd insist that it was too harsh, and demand that it be overturned.
If you were taken to court and sentenced to die because you lied about your age on a job application, I'd bet money that you'd protest your sentence. You'd insist that it was too harsh, and demand that it be overturned.
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I probably would. But I don't think this is the case here.
I do know that in the new covenant God has said - "Their sins and their iniquites I will by no means remember any more."
I regard that as very compassionate. What I regard as foolish to react with -
"I don't care that you will not remember my sins anymore. I'd rather that you would not judge me so harshly at all."
As it stands each day I not only refuse to accept that God has a way to remove my sins and no longer remember them anymore, but I enfluence others also to follow me.
Did you ever consider the effect your obstinancy might have on others contemplating the decision to be saved ?
Your words carry on their work after you. Others may make the descision to perish because of the enfluence of your words.
You should count God's patience as His compassion. He is giving you more time to be saved. Men can lock themselves in a prison of unbelief and throw away the key.
Is it worth it ? I don't think it is. There may be things I do not understand well. I do understand though that if God says through His salvation He will no longer remember my sins anymore, I should not respond with vicious arguments of accusation against Him.'
08 Mar 09
Originally posted by jaywillWrong question.
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I was talking about compassion during sentencing, not compassion in general. Try again.
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How about a lifetime of patient and long suffering compassion met with procrastination, murmering, unthankfulness, grumbling and accusations?
Why wait until the moment of sentencing ?
Maybe you should try again.[/b]
Why abandon all compassion at the moment of sentencing?
There, fixed.
08 Mar 09
Originally posted by jaywillDid you ever consider the effect your obstinancy might have on others contemplating the decision to be saved ?
Did you ever consider the effect your obstinancy might have on others contemplating the decision to be saved ?
Your words carry on their work after you. Others may make the descision to perish because of the enfluence of your words.
You should count God's patience as His compassion. He is giving you more time to be saved. Men can lock themselves ...[text shortened]... mber my sins anymore, I should not respond with vicious arguments of accusation against Him.'
Your words carry on their work after you. Others may make the descision to perish because of the enfluence of your words.
I'm really not out to convert people. However, I believe everyone should have the chance to make an informed decision. I think that your faith is one big illusion, and thus see no problem with people choosing not to follow your faith based on my words.
Is it worth it ? I don't think it is. There may be things I do not understand well. I do understand though that if God says through His salvation He will no longer remember my sins anymore, I should not respond with vicious arguments of accusation against Him.'
I can no more decide to believe in god than I can decide to believe the moon is made of green cheese. I can only do what we all must do: come to some belief based on our own evaluation of the evidence.
There is no god for me to reject, insult, or accuse.
08 Mar 09
Originally posted by SwissGambitI for one do not have that crazy idea. I do not think that punishment ought to fit the crime in all circumstances. I think that punishment should have a specific purpose or purposes and that revenge should not be one of them.
Forgive me for having this crazy idea that the punishment ought to fit the crime, and that a judge who claims to be love itself ought to show something at least slightly resembling compassion during sentencing.
The ones I know of are:
1. Discouraging the perpetrator from repeat offenses.
2. Preventing the perpetrator from repeat offenses(imprisonment / death penalty).
3. Discouraging others from offending.
I simply cannot see how any of the above fits a final Judgment by God. So is Gods punishment at that time revenge, or is it something else?
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08 Mar 09
Originally posted by dystoniacLeave me alone you mad person (😉), I'm already a christian and not open to further proselytization or indoctrination, nor do I fear hell.
OK...we're both wrong (re: the original posts)...LOL...I meant "quotation marks". I'm sorry if the truth about where one goes upon death if they are not saved stresses you. Repent!! and be saved!!!!!!
The fear of god is the begining of wisdom not the fear of hell, and the sooner you "toast n burn" preachers realise this the better imo.