Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonJust debate the logic of the discussion, where we are talking about
KellyJay
Is any of those assertions based on anything other than either just opinion or interpretation of stories from scriptures?
Don’t you see anything wrong at all with basing all beliefs on things other than evidence or reason?
-I want to help you (and others) here.
God that is based upon my belief and what I have gleaned in life
and scripture.
Kelly
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieGiven my appraisal of humanity, it wouldn't be particularly surprising if much of western life, music, history and art were inspired by whimsical hearsay.
whimsical heresy? my good sir, the scriptures have inspired much of western life, music, history and art, inspired countless generations to sublime heights, but they are a two edged sword, and in the hands of the uninitiated and unsteady, a travesty.
That's subtley different to 'heresy'.
Originally posted by KellyJayI am still not clear what 'eternal' means to you. Does it mean 'independent of time'?
If something or someone is forever, than time is with it don't you
think? Even a rock sitting in the ground is going through time, a
person sleeping is going through time. As soon as you have anything
eternal you have its actions or processes going through time.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySo by that definition, there cannot be a 'before the universe' as that would imply time which would imply 'in the universe' by your definition above.
All the material, space, time, and energy we live in, I'm sure there
are more odds and ends I didn't cover but that is the short answer.
Kelly