Incarnations of the "Beast"

Originally posted by RJHinds
You still do not understand. It must be because of your indoctrination. What a shame.

The three day war (Yom Kippur War) of 1967 proves Jehovah God is no longer with the Nation of Israel.
(Exodus 34:23, 24) “Three times a year, all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah, the God of Israel. 24 For I will drive the nations away from before you, and I will enlarge your territory, and nobody will desire your land while you are going up to see the face of Jehovah your God three times a year.
Jehovah promised protection from the Nations and it's obvious that He no longer protects Israel.
Even now they are threatened in many ways.
It is only by their own arm that they have survived.

Originally posted by roigam
The three day war (Yom Kippur War) of 1967 proves Jehovah God is no longer with the Nation of Israel.
(Exodus 34:23, 24) “Three times a year, all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah, the God of Israel. 24 For I will drive the nations away from before you, and I will enlarge your territory, and nobody will desire your land while you are going ...[text shortened]... Even now they are threatened in many ways.
It is only by their own arm that they have survived.

The Exodus is past. It does not apply in these last days. You must look to the end time prophecies for guidance and understanding.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Originally posted by RJHinds
The Exodus is past. It does not apply in these last days. You must look to the end time prophecies for guidance and understanding.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

If you know about the History of the Jews, Jehovah protected them as long as they observed their covenant down to the 1st century. Then starting with the Romans they have had problems down to our day.
Why do you think that is?

Originally posted by roigam
If you know about the History of the Jews, Jehovah protected them as long as they observed their covenant down to the 1st century. Then starting with the Romans they have had problems down to our day.
Why do you think that is?

The scriptures says it is to allow time for Gentiles like you and me time to be saved. I believe that might be why that is so. 😏

For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation-- that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."

(Romans 11:25-26 NASB)

Originally posted by roigam
If you know about the History of the Jews, Jehovah protected them as long as they observed their covenant down to the 1st century. Then starting with the Romans they have had problems down to our day.
Why do you think that is?

What is interesting is why "Jehovah" would "protect the Jews" (as you describe it) and then send another completely different "Mighty God" and "Saviour" who according to you was also one of his angels, to do the atoning and redeeming.

Why do you think that is?

Originally posted by roigam
The three day war (Yom Kippur War) of 1967 proves Jehovah God is no longer with the Nation of Israel.
(Exodus 34:23, 24) “Three times a year, all your men are to appear before the true Lord, Jehovah, the God of Israel. 24 For I will drive the nations away from before you, and I will enlarge your territory, and nobody will desire your land while you are going ...[text shortened]... Even now they are threatened in many ways.
It is only by their own arm that they have survived.

And similarly, the United States no longer has God's favor, either.

The difference here is that America will fall and no longer be dominant in world affairs long before Israel falls.

Originally posted by divegeester
What is interesting is why "Jehovah" would "protect the Jews" (as you describe it) and then send another completely different "Mighty God" and "Saviour" who according to you was also one of his angels, to do the atoning and redeeming.

Why do you think that is?

You do ask good questions!
Jehovah protected the Jews in order to guarantee the line of descent that would produce the Messiah.
His only begotten Son, Jesus, was the Saviour, Messiah, that was produced in fulfillment of Jehovah's promise in Genesis, His covenant with Abraham, His fulfillment of the covenant of Melchizedek, and His covenant with David.

Jesus is a "Mighty God" because Jehovah God's powerful active force, His Holy Spirit, acted to bring Jesus to birth and to work miracles through him. Among other things those helped to id Jesus as the foretold Messiah.
(John 6:14) When the people saw the sign he performed, they began to say: “This really is the Prophet who was to come into the world.”

Originally posted by roigam
Jesus is a "Mighty God" because Jehovah God's powerful active force, His Holy Spirit, acted to bring Jesus to birth and to work miracles through him.

Adam was also brought forth through the activation of Jehovah and his Holy Spirit but he is not a "mighty god". Your argument doesn't hold.

How can an angel be a "Mighty God"? Doesn't this jar with you when you read it? Don't you feel that having an angel as one of your Saviours (you have two, Jesus who you say is the angel Michael, and Jehovah) is a little off message?

Originally posted by divegeester
Adam was also brought forth through the activation of Jehovah and his Holy Spirit but he is not a "mighty god". Your argument doesn't hold.

How can an angel be a "Mighty God"? Doesn't this jar with you when you read it? Don't you feel that having an angel as one of your Saviours (you have two, Jesus who you say is the angel Michael, and Jehovah) is a little off message?

We don't know what Adam could have been. He sinned and died and brought death to all men.
(Romans 5:12) That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—.

(Genesis 3:19) In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”

So Adam wound up as "dust" through his own doing.

Jesus obeyed his Father Jehovah(2 Corinthians 5:21) The one who did not know sin, he made to be sin for us, so that by means of him we might become God’s righteousness.

That is why Jehovah: (Philippians 2:9) For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,

If Jesus was God, how could he be exalted or made any higher?

Originally posted by roigam
If Jesus was God, how could he be exalted or made any higher?

But you admit that jesus is "Mighty God" correct?

Originally posted by divegeester
But you admit that jesus is "Mighty God" correct?

(Isaiah 9:6, 7) For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, "Mighty God", Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.  7 To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.
This is a prophecy that foretells that the Messiah (Jesus) would be called "mighty God" after his appearance in the future, after he was born.
So after Jesus' faithful course on earth he would have those names or titles.
Jehovah elevated Jesus to that position for Jesus' faithfullness and obedience in doing his Father's (Jehovah's) will on earth.
(Philippians 2:9) For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,

Also in Jesus' own words: (Matthew 28:18) Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
Jesus was given that authority by Jehovah God, the Universal Sovereign, th Ancient of Days.

(Daniel 7:13, 14) “I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. 14 And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.

Originally posted by roigam
(Isaiah 9:6, 7) For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, "Mighty God", Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.  7 To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly a ...[text shortened]... exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,

And, believe it or not, ( I know robbie doesn't), but this is also what Colossians 1:15 is talking about when it speaks of the Son of God being "firstborn of all creation", that He is higher than all creation and above all creation, and not that He was the "first created", like you guys like to say, when you attempt to bend the Bible's dogma to more closely fit your own.

"... that in all things he might have the preeminence." -- Colossians 1:18

Originally posted by Suzianne
And, believe it or not, ( I know robbie doesn't), but this is also what Colossians 1:15 is talking about when it speaks of the Son of God being "firstborn of all creation", that He is higher than all creation and above all creation, and not that He was the "first created", like you guys like to say, when you attempt to bend the Bible's dogma to more closely fit your own.

"... that in all things he might have the preeminence." -- Colossians 1:18

I feel bad for you. You have been deceived. (2 Corinthians 4:4) among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the "image" of God, might not shine through.

For example:
Do you understand that an image of something is not the real thing?
You can go to any religious gift shop and get an image of Jesus. Do you believe that that image is really Jesus?
Then why would you believe that Jesus is Jehovah?
He is an image, a likeness of his Father.

Originally posted by roigam
(Isaiah 9:6, 7) For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, "Mighty God", Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.  7 To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly a ...[text shortened]... ship is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.

But you admit that jesus is "Mighty God" correct?

Originally posted by Suzianne
And, believe it or not, ( I know robbie doesn't), but this is also what Colossians 1:15 is talking about when it speaks of the Son of God being "firstborn of all creation", that He is higher than all creation and above all creation, and not that He was the "first created", like you guys like to say, when you attempt to bend the Bible's dogma to more closely fit your own.

"... that in all things he might have the preeminence." -- Colossians 1:18

Indeed.