Incomes relative to Religions in USA.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
might someone be wealthy and not materialistic yes...

Why do apparently seek to apply this only to the wealthy people in your organization?

Originally posted by FMF
If, as you say, "materialism is not measured in terms of wealth", then how come you based assertions about "materialism" on data about "wealth" in the OP?

because wealth may or may not be an indication of materialism. Materialism is a state
of mind, it is not measured in terms of wealth, the acquisition of wealth might be an
indication of materialism or it may not, but this has no bearing on the fact that
materialism is a state of mind, does it. In fact, how can one measure a state of mind in
terms of wealth, please explain.

Originally posted by FMF
Why do apparently seek to apply this only to the wealthy people in your organization?

where have i applied it solely to wealthy people in my organisation,

Originally posted by FMF
Why do apparently seek to apply this only to the wealthy people in your organization?

again which publications can you cite which demonstrate that Catholics are encouraged to take up part time work.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If you think its a statement about materialism then so be it, i have drawn no conclusions other than what apply to Jehovahs witnesses.

To compare your denomination to others with regard to "materialism" [while basing it on data about "wealth"] is certainly drawing a conclusion. You said that JWs were "less materialistic" than the others, so you cannot claim to have drawn no conclusion from the OP stats.

Originally posted by FMF
To compare your denomination to others with regard to "materialism" [while basing it on data about "wealth"] is certainly drawing a conclusion. You said that JWs were "less materialistic" than the others, so you cannot claim to have drawn no conclusion from the OP stats.

If you produce evidence, lets say a publication that encourages others to live a simple
life, lets say to take up part time work, then i will retract my statement , that Jehovahs
witnesses are less materialistic than others. If not, the statement stands because the
reason for it, has its basis in their teaching.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
again which publications can you cite which demonstrate that Catholics are encouraged to take up part time work.

Well taking up "part time work" has no particular bearing on whether one is "materialistic". Same can go for "wealth". Indeed there are plenty of rich and famous people who do "part time work", perhaps to disguise their materialism. Are you under the impression that Catholics, for example, don't do "part time work"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If you produce evidence, lets say a publication that encourages others to live a simple
life, lets say to take up part time work, then i will retract my statement , that Jehovahs
witnesses are less materialistic than others. If not, the statement stands because the
reason for it, has its basis in their teaching.

"A publication that encourages others to live a simple life?" What about the bible and Jesus' teaching in it?

Originally posted by FMF
Well taking up "part time work" has no particular bearing on whether one is "materialistic". Same can go for "wealth". Indeed there are plenty of rich and famous people who do "part time work", perhaps to disguise their materialism. Are you under the impression that Catholics, for example, don't do "part time work"?

It has a bearing on wealth though doesn't it, for naturally if one is inclined to give up
work, for the sake of an altruistic purpose, it may be an indication that one is less
inclined towards materialism and the acquisition of wealth and more inclined towards
altruism. If on the other hand one takes on overtime and needlessly pursues work ,
it may be an indication that one is more inclined towards materialism.

Originally posted by FMF
"A publication that encourages others to live a simple life?" What about the bible and Jesus' teaching in it?

One that the catholic church has produced, there are many catholic magazines are there not?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yawn, considering that donations are entirely voluntary, i think your statement rather crass to be honest, we are awesome, so we own a bit of property in New York, so what.

You're so awesome that a jury has found the Watchtowers handling of child abuse matters unlawful. Somehow i get the impression that's not the type of 'awesomeness' that most people would aspire to.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It has a bearing on wealth though doesn't it, for naturally if one is inclined to give up
work, for the sake of an altruistic purpose, it may be an indication that one is less
inclined towards materialism and the acquisition of wealth and more inclined towards
altruism. If on the other hand one takes on overtime and needlessly pursues wealth ,
it mat be an indication that one is more inclined towards materialism.

I did literally 100s of hours of part time work with mentally handicapped people, among other things, when I was younger. I would describe my motivations as altruistic. I was encouraged to do it by my church, but I wasn't a JW. Even today at my local Catholic church there are all sorts of voluntary activities going on, involving large numbers of people, embracing large numbers of people, with substantial achievements.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
One that the catholic church has produced, there are many catholic magazines are there not?

The Bible is surely the key to everything when it comes to Christianity?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If on the other hand one takes on overtime and needlessly pursues work ,
it may be an indication that one is more inclined towards materialism.

Can this also apply to the 9% of Jehovah's Witnesses who earn over $100,000 a year?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You're so awesome that a jury has found the Watchtowers handling of child abuse matters unlawful. Somehow i get the impression that's not the type of 'awesomeness' that most people would aspire to.

Is the case finished, in fact, I can count on one hand the number of cases that have
gone to court over child abuse allegations, which is far below the national average and
way below any other denomination, shall i produce the figures from wikipedia, indeed,
if it was mishandled , it will become apparent, i for one welcome these findings and
hope that the perpetrators get what they deserve, I have nothing to be ashamed of and
neither have the millions of other awesome Jehovahs witnesses.