Incomes relative to Religions in USA.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am unaware of what went on to be honest, if there is an action which takes place which transgresses the high moral standards Jehovahs witnesses place on their congregants then an announcement that the perpetrator is removed from a position of responsibility, has been reproved, has been disfellowshipped etc is made, the specifics of the case are not ...[text shortened]... o actual evidence produced that they were complicit in the abuse, not a shred.

gotta go, cya.

Yes, the Watchtowers policy with regard to how it deals with child abuse have been found to be unlawful in a court of law. That is a fact.

In all of this you have come across as nothing more than a corporate lawyer.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
In all of this you [robbie] have come across as nothing more than a corporate lawyer.

Robbie appears to be contending that his organization had no obligation to protect children from a known convicted child molester in its congregation's
midst. And while he concedes that there were "regrettable actions" *by McKendricks, the issue of protection, and the issue of who knew what, and who could have prevented what, appears to be - for robbie - a private matter for the child who was sexually abused, and not one for his organization, which knew what McKendricks was and what he was capable of doing to children.

* Wow - "regrettable action" eh? - you got to love that choice of language - my pointing out robbie's contradictions about wealth and materialism earlier on this thread were described as "vile" and "slimy actions"... McKendricks' crimes were "regrettable action"!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Which 'action' are you talking about specifically?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The alleged abuse.

Do you question whether the abuse actually took place?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Yes, the Watchtowers policy with regard to how it deals with child abuse have been found to be unlawful in a court of law. That is a fact.

In all of this you have come across as nothing more than a corporate lawyer.

LOL, and FMF is an empathetic, concerned and caring sensitive member of the public.
Take away the adjectives from his posts and you might have enough skin and bones to
make cabbage soup.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I simply dont believe it. Are you saying that so called, black Americans are lazier than
everyone else, that Jehovahs witnesses are lazier than Catholics?

I'm saying that those that work harder get head more than those that do not.
You can start painting people as lazy or not that is up to you, it isn't something
what I'm saying. It does not matter what color you are if you put out the effort
and strive you are going to go much more out of life than someone who sits
around and doesn't do anything to improve thier lot in life over time. Now can
there be an exception sure, some people who work hard do so in a manner that
does not push them forward or as others have pointed out there are some that
were just given all they have and were given a lot. Yet, on a level playing field
it will always be those that push themselves to get a head will out preform
those that just sit on their butts.
Kelly

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The court ruled that it was medium, 10 million is a small price to pay to root out paedophiles.

Just to clarify on this statement from you - The Watchtower is not paying out $10 million to root out paedophiles, they are paying that sum for doing exactly the opposite, they didn't root out a paedophile in this case.

Originally posted by FMF
Robbie appears to be contending that his organization had no obligation to protect children from a known convicted child molester in its congregation's
midst. And while he concedes that there were "regrettable actions" [b]*by McKendricks, the issue of protection, and the issue of who knew what, and who could have prevented what, appears to be - for robbie bed as "vile" and "slimy actions"... McKendricks' crimes were "regrettable action"![/b]

you have pointed out nothing, your opinions are meaningless to anyone but you, its like trying to pass of some counterfeit currency,

let it be noted that you have failed to state why the watchtower and Bible tract society as implicit in the abuse when these factors are self evident ,

There was no legal precedent which required any secular or religious organisation to provide specific details of sexual misconduct/abuse about any of its members to the public, you have provided, as usual, northing but your own opinions, which as we know, are irrelevant and meaningless within this context.

Californian confidentiality laws prohibited a public announcement of the specific details of the sexual misconduct/abuses, but as usual you have provide nothing in the form of why this is irrelevant, but your own limp biscuit opinions.

all you have yo do is demonstrate the evidence that the watchtower and Bible tract society were complicit in this abuse and look, you have provided nothing but your own meaningless ramblings, references to character and other irrelevancies,

its hardly fir for the soup bowl to be honest.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Just to clarify on this statement from you - The Watchtower is not paying out $10 million to root out paedophiles, they are paying that sum for doing exactly the opposite, they [b]didn't root out a paedophile in this case.[/b]

They did what was within their power to do, unless of course you have evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm saying that those that work harder get head more than those that do not.
You can start painting people as lazy or not that is up to you, it isn't something
what I'm saying. It does not matter what color you are if you put out the effort
and strive you are going to go much more out of life than someone who sits
around and doesn't do anything to impro ...[text shortened]... t push themselves to get a head will out preform
those that just sit on their butts.
Kelly

so Jews and Hindus work harder, than Catholics and black Americans???

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
They did what was within their power to do, unless of course you have evidence to the contrary.

Evil prevails when goof men do nothing Rob, if you think that the people who were involved with this were powerless to do anything then you are either clueless or just brazenly lying.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Just to clarify on this statement from you - The Watchtower is not paying out $10 million to root out paedophiles, they are paying that sum for doing exactly the opposite, they [b]didn't root out a paedophile in this case.[/b]

what the jury apparently ignored.

It ignored the fact that the congregation was obeying the secular law against
defamation when they did not publicly reveal this individual's specific sin. And they
ignored the fact that it was not then, nor now, has the practice of any religious or
secular organization to announce a congregant's sin publicly.

The jury chose to believe the dishonest misrepresentation by the plaintiff's attorney
that a letter from the WTS in 1989 "represented a policy of keeping sexual
allegations secret." The fact is that "the letter was a run-of-the mill reminder that
some communications must be kept confidential" in obedience to slander laws. And
they ignored the fact that the letter actually instructed Elders to report all child
abuse allegations so victims can be "protected from further damage."

The jury ignored the fact that previously this molester had been instantly removed
from his minor position of responsibility. Such an action should have been a clear
signal to all in the congregation that this man was not viewed as a trusted member
in the congregation.

The jury ignored the fact that "The elders watched [this molester] after that," and
"met with the family" to make sure the family was taking necessary precautions to
protect the step-daughter.

The jury chose to ignore the fact that "No one saw him do anything inappropriate
after that, or heard anything inappropriate...."

The jury chose to ignore the fact that neither "the stepdaughter's family" nor anyone
else "told the congregation that the molester was later convicted of misdemeanour
sexual battery; "the elders had been unaware of the conviction."

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Evil prevails when goof men do nothing Rob, if you think that the people who were involved with this were powerless to do anything then you are either clueless or just brazenly lying.

sorry tell me again what it is the should have done, that they did not do.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you have pointed out nothing, your opinions are meaningless to anyone but you, its like trying to pass of some counterfeit currency,

let it be noted that you have failed to state why the watchtower and Bible tract society as implicit in the abuse when these factors are self evident ,

There was no legal precedent which required any secular or ...[text shortened]... erences to character and other irrelevancies,

its hardly fir for the soup bowl to be honest.

You referred to McKendricks actions as the "alleged abuse". Do you question whether the abuse actually took place?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie

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Aren't these just your personal opinions, robbie?

Originally posted by FMF
You referred to McKendricks actions as the "alleged abuse". Do you question whether the abuse actually took place?

and up you pop like a jack in the box, no dice FMF, I have not read the court transcripts and have no way of knowing what abuse took place, perhaps you can enlighten us.