Originally posted by @philokaliaFeel free to unpack it yourself. If something about people ~ and the notion of "individualism" ~ has upset in some way you and earned your pseudy contempt, just come out with it and be clear about what it is.
I also think this buys into the gross cult of atomization where everyone is supposed to be as snowflake as possible to gain a snow. A lot to unpack with that sentence -- but do feel free to start unpacking.
18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfPeople think that, within themselves, there is something beautiful and unique that is meant to be shared which now functions as a sort of surrogate for a soul. People think there is something intrinsically special and beautiful to each individual.
Feel free to unpack it yourself. If something about people ~ and the notion of "individualism" ~ has upset in some way you and earned your pseudy contempt, just come out with it and be clear about what it is.
This fits in very well with the atomized concept of man in the modern world... That the individual is the most basic block of society, and that the rules of law and government all are catered to the embellishment of the individual.
I think, however, that the individual who succumbs to passions and some exaggerated sense of self is darkened and vain and not some deeply unique individual.
I was deeply involved in punk rock and metal music for a decade of my life. Indeed, i am still involved to some extent, but not so much. I got a lot of tattoos with the idea that I could then be a slave to my freedom & indivdiuality my whole life, no matter what. I was very willign to accept bad parts of myself as just unique parts of my personality that deserve to be expressed and make me who I am.
With time, it all just feels like vanity. I am not big into the idea of some exaggerated concept of individualism.
Real worth and real freedom do not come from senselessly feeding every passion within but from quieting them all to find some sort of core, and even then, what exists does not need to be pressured to eb thought of as an individual, atomized being.
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelHow does your candidacy for Head Troll fit into this world view?
I am God and as such I try to extend every grace within my power
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18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Oh wait a minute; it’s obvious.
How does your candidacy for Head Troll fit into this world view?
You’re getting subtler in your trolling. Congrats! FMF’s gonna get a run for his money! The dive character seems to be getting all soft and sentimental; wrong time for that!
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18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009He asked, in troll-like fashion....
How does your candidacy for Head Troll fit into this world view?
18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaWhose concept are you talking about?
I am not big into the idea of some exaggerated concept of individualism..
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18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmf<<Thanks for the succinct statement about how a "creator" gives you a sense of meaning.>>
Thanks for the succinct statement about how a "creator" gives you a sense of meaning. So, what about the OP question? The answer "In every conceivable way" might benefit from 2-3 different concrete examples.
Solomon, in the book of Ecclesiastes, came to the proper conclusion about the meaning of life, imo.
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18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeLOL
He asked, in troll-like fashion....
Just sinfully engaging in a little payback.
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18 Feb 18
To address the question in the OP, or what I think it was asking without going back and re-reading it, I think genetics is what makes someone an individual on a biological/appearance level and each person’s human spirit is what makes them unique on a spiritual level, which is reflected in their personalities, thoughts and how they express themselves.
I think the environment plays a role in the development of one’s personality, thoughts and how they express themselves but it is an individual’s spiritual reaction to their environment that is much more influential in the formation of that individual’s identity.
18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009To address the question in the OP, or what I think it was asking without going back and re-reading it... [blah blah blah ... see above]
To address the question in the OP, or what I think it was asking without going back and re-reading it, I think genetics is what makes someone an individual on a biological/appearance level and each person’s human spirit is what makes them unique on a spiritual level, which is reflected in their personalities, thoughts and how they express themselves.
...[text shortened]... their environment that is much more influential in the formation of that individual’s identity.
If you'd been bothered to read it properly a first time, you'd have seen that the question was about the John Ralston Saul definition rather than an invitation to go off half cocked about "identity" assuming it to be a synonym of "individualism".
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Originally posted by @fmfForgive me for not properly understanding your mystical word salad in the OP. I’m sure I can properly understand it after meeting with Karoly later today and will address it then.
[b]To address the question in the OP, or what I think it was asking without going back and re-reading it... [blah blah blah ... see above]
If you'd been bothered to read it properly a first time, you'd have seen that the question was about the John Ralston Saul definition rather than an invitation to go off half cocked about "identity" assuming it to be a synonym of "individualism".[/b]
18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaSo you are not "big" on something or other that someone said somewhere - you're not sure who, but you didn't like it - and it has to do with people you are not impressed by. Very broadly. Understood.
I cannot think of a specific person.
But I spoke about the topic very broadly.
18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfLOL, FMF, do you think that every single thing we t ype has to come in the form of a complete essay with definitions and extensive source citations?
So you are not "big" on something or other that someone said somewhere - you're not sure who, but you didn't like it - and it has to do with people you are not impressed by. Very broadly. Understood.
I think you are getting carried away with your dislike of everything I do.
And finding no problem with actual content you pretend that my RHP forum entries are substandard because they do not meet the criteria for publication at the American journal of philosophy.
Nice try.