21 Apr 12
Originally posted by galveston75Not at all.....as a matter of fact Jesus is an Anglicized version Joshua or Yashua so Jesus technically is not how his name was pronounced by the Jewish people 2000 years ago either
But yet you use "Jesus" as god's sons name don't you? Why use one that we don't really know how it's pronounced in the English language but yet you use another one?
Could it be because it conflicts with the trinity and just can't work? It's like a lie that one tells. Once you start a lie as with the trinity then all kinds of problems start to happen.
Manny
22 Apr 12
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Originally posted by menace71So why not use his name as the scriptures tell us too seeing how the Bible says only those who call on it will be saved. Not important to you?
Of course but I'm not claiming "Jehovah" is the one and only name for God.
Manny
So in the days of Jesus and his disciples the divine name very definitely appeared in copies of the Scriptures, both in Hebrew manuscripts and in Greek manuscripts. Did Jesus and his disciples use the divine name in speech and in writing? In view of Jesus’ condemnation of Pharisaic traditions (Mt 15:1-9), it would be highly unreasonable to conclude that Jesus and his disciples let Pharisaic ideas (such as are recorded in the Mishnah) govern them in this matter. Jesus’ own name means “Jehovah Is Salvation.” He stated: “I have come in the name of my Father” (Joh 5:43); he taught his followers to pray: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified” (Mt 6:9); his works, he said, were done “in the name of my Father” (Joh 10:25); and, in prayer on the night of his death, he said he had made his Father’s name manifest to his disciples and asked, “Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name” (Joh 17:6, 11, 12, 26). In view of all of this, when Jesus quoted the Hebrew Scriptures or read from them he certainly used the divine name, Jehovah. (Compare Mt 4:4, 7, 10 with De 8:3; 6:16; 6:13; also Mt 22:37 with De 6:5; and Mt 22:44 with Ps 110:1; as well as Lu 4:16-21 with Isa 61:1, 2.) Logically, Jesus’ disciples, including the inspired writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures, would follow his example in this.
So WHY is the name absent from the extant manuscripts of the Christian Greek Scriptures or so-called New Testament? Evidently because by the time those extant copies were made (from the third century C.E. onward) the original text of the writings of the apostles and disciples had been altered. Thus later copyists undoubtedly replaced the divine name in Tetragrammaton form with Kyrios and Theos. This is precisely what the facts show was done in later copies of the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures.
So consider this Manny. The name Jehovah had been removed from the Hebrew scriptures by ones who were wanting to promote the doctrine of the trinity and the ONLY way this could be done is to remove the name JEHOVAH from them. The old testiment was already out and the name Jehovah could not be removed, it was too late.
So if one were TRULY wanting to learn who Jesus is and who Jehovah is and why the scripture says it is "only those who call on the name of Jehovah" is so important.
WE pray to Jehovah, not Jesus as even Jesus himself said. If we were to pray to Jesus, he would have said that.
If for only once you could start in your Bible and read from Matthew on and every where your bible says LORD , put Jehovah's there as it once was and really read what your reading without the trinity in mind. What have you got to lose except a true relationship with your Father Jehovah, learn who he truly is and who is son Jesus truly is. Give it a try.......
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22 Apr 12
Originally posted by menace71Bump for RJHinds.
They don't know.....How it was pronounced but whatever you want to think.
Manny
Originally posted by RJHinds
I know, so why should they not know?
Originally posted by googlefudge
You don't know, you believe.
There is a difference.
For starters to be able to claim that you know it you have to be able to show t ...[text shortened]... ow it.
So go ahead, prove to us that you know how people pronounced a word 2000+ years ago.
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Originally posted by menace71
They don't know.....How it was pronounced but whatever you want to think.
Manny
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Originally posted by RJHinds
I know, so why should they not know?
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Originally posted by googlefudge
You don't know, you believe.
There is a difference.
For starters to be able to claim that you know it you have to be able to show that you know it.
So go ahead, prove to us that you know how people pronounced a word 2000+ years ago.
22 Apr 12
Originally posted by galveston75Do you think that the Papal circulars sent out by the Vatican from time to time are also divinely inspired?
Yes we do. What they are used for is not to write another Bible but God inspired bible aids. God has always used humans in one form or another to bring us God's thoughts and guidelines.
Is there any reason or proof that you may have that he still does not do that?
22 Apr 12
Originally posted by googlefudge🙂 man oh man
Bump for RJHinds.
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Originally posted by menace71
[b]They don't know.....How it was pronounced but whatever you want to think.
Manny
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Originally posted by RJHinds
I know, so why should they not know?
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So go ahead, prove to us that you know how people pronounced a word 2000+ years ago.[/b][/b]
22 Apr 12
Originally posted by galveston75The name Jehovah was never taken out of the original manuscripts BECAUSE it was never in them. YHWH was in the manuscripts but once again......WE have no clue how it was pronounced.
So why not use his name as the scriptures tell us too seeing how the Bible says only those who call on it will be saved. Not important to you?
So in the days of Jesus and his disciples the divine name very definitely appeared in copies of the Scriptures, both in Hebrew manuscripts and in Greek manuscripts. Did Jesus and his disciples use the divine n ...[text shortened]... our Father Jehovah, learn who he truly is and who is son Jesus truly is. Give it a try.......
Manny
22 Apr 12
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Originally posted by galveston75So the issue of 'divine inspiration' comes down to whether or not you claim it to be at work. OK. [I wonder if you see yourself as 'divinely inspired' when you deem other Christians to be following teaching that you say is not "the truth"].
No they don't because of not teaching the truths in the Bible.
Do you think the writings of all members of the JW organisation are divinely inspired in the same way as The Watchtower/Holy Bible are?
22 Apr 12
Originally posted by menace71You know what I mean. If you want to stick with YHWH that if fine but now how do you pronounce it? The would over recognizes it and even dumb silly movies have used it. But the point is you have to use it to be heard by God. And certianly using a wrong name such as Jesus will get you no where. For me to listen to you, you use my name, right? God is no different. But by using the cop out that "we really don't know how it is pronounced, so I better not us anything" is a bad mistake and one that Satan loves to hear.
The name Jehovah was never taken out of the original manuscripts BECAUSE it was never in them. YHWH was in the manuscripts but once again......WE have no clue how it was pronounced.
Manny
You are letting ones who have no respect for God make you think in a bad way.
But as I said before, if you want to stick with the trinity, that would make sense why you refuse to use God's name in anyway.
22 Apr 12
Originally posted by FMFI'm not inspired to write anything and have never claimed such a blessing. And no not all are inspired to write but if Jehovah chose anyone else to, that would be his descision, not yours or mine.
So the issue of 'divine inspiration' comes down to whether or not you claim it to be at work. OK. [I wonder if you see yourself as 'divinely inspired' when you deem other Christians to be following teaching that you say is not "the truth"].
Do you think the writings of all members of the JW organisation are divinely inspired in the same way as The Watchtower/Holy Bible are?
Just as in the past with the writing of the Bible he chose only a few to write what he wanted, so what is the problem with only a few writing what he wants today?
Do you not think God can cause a human to write on paper what he wants other humans to read, and for that to be accurate and in accord with the Bible? If no, why not?
22 Apr 12
Originally posted by galveston75So how does the JW organisation decide which of its writers are being directly inspired by God, and which are not?
I'm not inspired to write anything and have never claimed such a blessing. And no not all are inspired to write but if Jehovah chose anyone else to, that would be his descision, not yours or mine.