Is God ever wrong?

@kellyjay said
The world is a cesspool of evil, filled with people who fit that description since we are the ones who have made it this way.

If you believe that you are part of a "cesspool of evil" and you believe you "have made it this way", why don't you use your free will to not do "evil" things? You describe yourself as "evil and wicked" constantly. Why don't your religious beliefs help you to snap out of it and live your life in a way that isn't "evil"?

@kellyjay said
The world is a cesspool of evil, filled with people who fit that description since we are the ones who have made it this way.

Some semi-random musings that have landed here:

The world is full of humans who somehow can’t forgive themselves for their reflections on the dark side of the mirror.

The Divine is divine, in my opinion because She/He/They/It actualize as perfectly complete, including and comprising of humans who are at once afraid and brave, treacherous and benevolent, disheveled and organized, and somehow have the ability to see paradise in a cesspool.

Every spiritual teacher, including Jesus taught that wholeness in some form, whether through the healing of lepers or patiently waiting in the shade of the Bodhi tree like the Buddha. Secular thinkers like Viktor Frankl discovered that humans have the ability to make meaning out of hell, even in the shadows of Auschwitz...

I’m thinking of FMF’s thread that asks what is essentially human spirit...for me, it’s the ability to chose to transcend whatever circumstance in which we find ourselves...

...and recalling rookie’s latest post in the ... thread

“Being desirable means being comfortable with your own ambiguity. The most ambiguous reality is that we are flesh and spirit at the same time. Within everyone there is light and shadow, good and evil, love and hate. In order to be truthful, you must embrace your total being. A person who exhibits both positive and negative qualities, strengths and weaknesses is not flawed, but complete.”
~ Rumi

Somehow, I don’t think we were meant to despair in “the cesspool of evil” by blaming ourselves, but rather transcend it through compassion towards ourselves and each other.

Peace.

Hakima

@hakima said
Somehow, I don’t think we were meant to despair in “the cesspool of evil” by blaming ourselves, but rather transcend it through compassion towards ourselves and each other.

Peace.

Hakima

Perhaps KellyJay's supposed contribution to “the cesspool of evil” is a kind of false, narcissistic modesty. I have my suspicions.

The supposed “cesspool of evil” is, I think ~ to his profoundly misanthropic way of thinking ~ the realm of all those who don't share the same subjective speculations and aspirations regarding supernatural phenomena and regarding the specific ancient mythology that happens to appeal to his imagination.

Therefore, your kind and thoughtful words above are part of the KellyJay "cesspool of evil” but HIS posts are not.

He can set me straight if he thinks I've got this wrong.

@kellyjay said
The world is a cesspool of evil, filled with people who fit that description since we are the ones who have made it this way.

Perhaps you are, but I am not and most people I know aren't either. Perhaps you should do something about it insetad of constantly whining on a chess forum.

@FMF

Kellyjay said,
"The world is a cesspool of evil, filled with people who fit that description..."

FMF said
"If you believe that you are part of a "cesspool of evil" and you believe you "have made it this way", why don't you use your free will to not do "evil" things? You describe yourself as "evil and wicked" constantly. Why don't your religious beliefs help you to snap out of it and live your life in a way that isn't "evil"?"

Kelly miscommunicated, and FMF misunderstands.

Romans 3:4, 23 "..yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;.." "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

Everyone is a sinner, therefore everyone is responsible for their contribution of evil in the world, and will be held accountable on judgement day.

Those whose sins are forgiven will inherit eternal life, and those whose sins are not forgiven will receive everlasting punishment.

In the meantime Christians should walk the talk, but no one is perfect.

@secondson said
Kelly miscommunicated, and FMF misunderstands.

You are mistaken. KellyJay has been communicating the same thing for years. He describes himself as "wicked and evil". He's also expressed gratitude or relief that his God figure is "not fair" because if he was "fair", every human would be tormented in burning flames for eternity after they die. And now he says the world is a cesspool of evil and he counts himself among "the ones who have made it this way". I don't think he has "miscommunicated" his beliefs at all. I think he has communicated them very clearly.

@kegge said
Perhaps you are, but I am not and most people I know aren't either. Perhaps you should do something about it insetad of constantly whining on a chess forum.

It doesn't take much to look around the world and see it for what it is a very evil place. Neither does it take much to look at one's own life and understand where our failings are, and compared to perfection, each failing is precisely that. When we have opportunity to do right by others, and we don't, when we put ourselves above others, when we lust, when we do anything but love God and each other, we at fault.

When we set our own rules up to make ourselves look good and compare ourselves to others, we are failing to look at a standard that doesn't change. The other standard which we are going to be judged by is our own; when we condemn someone for doing something! If we are doing them ourselves, or we excuse those very things in others we like, we revealed we knew the truth when we condemned someone else. I don't think you know a single person who is sinless or guiltless at all, and I doubt you realize how bad it is either.

The only thing that can change us has to be someone who can change the human heart, it isn't a fix that can occur by our own will for us, or for others. Enter Jesus Christ who can, and is the only one who can.

@hakima said
Some semi-random musings that have landed here:

The world is full of humans who somehow can’t forgive themselves for their reflections on the dark side of the mirror.

The Divine is divine, in my opinion because She/He/They/It actualize as perfectly complete, including and comprising of humans who are at once afraid and brave, treacherous and benevolent, disheveled and or ...[text shortened]... s, but rather transcend it through compassion towards ourselves and each other.

Peace.

Hakima

Forgiveness can only be given by the one wronged. If I look at the things done that I require forgiveness, then I owe to One wronged. This takes us all to the One who created us to love and do good, He is we have wronged by our continual behavior, and it is Him who we need to be forgiven by.

@secondson said
@FMF

Kellyjay said,
"The world is a cesspool of evil, filled with people who fit that description..."

[quote] FMF said
"If you believe that you are part of a "cesspool of evil" and you believe you "have made it this way", why don't you use your free will to not do "evil" things? You describe yourself as "evil and wicked" constantly. Why don't your ...[text shortened]... e everlasting punishment.

In the meantime Christians should walk the talk, but no one is perfect.

We are all sinners, without exception, and require forgiveness, require God's love and grace. I don't put Christian's righteous above Atheist. We are no different from one another in that outside of God's grace, we are sinners before God. God saves us not because we deserve it, but because He loves us, which is all Him, we are not justified due to our worth, goodness, righteousness. Our need for God is complete; at our best, we are not good enough. Those that think they are good enough have a high opinion of themselves, I agree no one is perfect, we shouldn't put ourselves above one another ,the best of us isn't good enough, and the worst of us can be saved.

@kellyjay said
We are all sinners, without exception, and require forgiveness, require God's love and grace. I don't put Christian's righteous above Atheist. We are no different from one another in that outside of God's grace, we are sinners before God. God saves us not because we deserve it, but because He loves us, which is all Him, we are not justified due to our worth, goodness, righte ...[text shortened]... put ourselves above one another ,the best of us isn't good enough, and the worst of us can be saved.

If you believe ~ as you have claimed ~ that you are - to some degree - to blame for making the world a "cesspool of evil", just stop doing whatever it is that makes you blame yourself in this way.

@fmf said
If you believe ~ as you have claimed ~ that you are - to some degree - to blame for making the world a "cesspool of evil", just stop doing whatever it is that makes you blame yourself in this way.

People who only see evil around them are fundamentally 'glass half empty people.' Personally, I have great hope for humanity and prefer not to overlook the good in the world.

@kellyjay said
It doesn't take much to look around the world and see it for what it is a very evil place. Neither does it take much to look at one's own life and understand where our failings are, and compared to perfection, each failing is precisely that. When we have opportunity to do right by others, and we don't, when we put ourselves above others, when we lust, when we do anything but ...[text shortened]... ccur by our own will for us, or for others. Enter Jesus Christ who can, and is the only one who can.

I look around the world and see many great people doing great things. And every now and then somebody efs up. That is all part of life. Perfection is a hollow dream not worth chasing. And you and your ilk puts the responsibility of the ef's up on some genie from a bottle. Man up and make the world a better place you lazy deluded bastard.

@kegge said
I look around the world and see many great people doing great things. And every now and then somebody efs up. That is all part of life. Perfection is a hollow dream not worth chasing. And you and your ilk puts the responsibility of the ef's up on some genie from a bottle. Man up and make the world a better place you lazy deluded bastard.

You think it normal on how fast you race to make this personal? Of course, we see good and recognize it for what it is. None of that excuses the bad, evil, or the wicked things we do.

@kellyjay said
None of that excuses the bad, evil, or the wicked things we do.

Snap out of it, KellyJay. Just stop doing "evil" things.

@kellyjay said
None of that excuses the bad, evil, or the wicked things we do.

Why doesn't your certainty that you have a supernatural being watching your every move stop you from doing "wicked things"? If being religious doesn't actually prevent you from creating the "cesspool of evil" you have admitted you help make - what kind of convoluted "moral" nonsense is it to believe that you are forgiven [for being "evil and wicked"] as long as you sincerely believe you are forgiven [by your God figure]?