Spirituality
08 Jul 18
09 Jul 18
Originally posted by @apathistI am blaming man for man’s faults. Simply because you were made with the ability to make a choice, doesn’t mean you have no responsibility in those that you make.
Why are you blaming mankind for for the faults of what created us? There seems to be an opaque wall between you and reality.
09 Jul 18
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Originally posted by @kellyjay1 Corinthians 2
He isn’t here, but if you have a scripture for me to look at?
What we have received is not the spirit but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.
The natural human being does not have the mind of Christ. To claim a natural man does claims salvation by one's own ability.
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Paul continues on the natural desires of the flesh:
"... you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience — among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." - Eph 2:2-3
10 Jul 18
Originally posted by @eladarWe are in agreement about the natural state of man, I was referring to nature earlier.
1 Corinthians 2
What we have received is not the spirit but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things ...[text shortened]... not have the mind of Christ. To claim a natural man does claims salvation by one's own ability.
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Originally posted by @eladarFor example, there are people that have problems understand the teachings of Christ. These teachings are words taught by the Spirit and not by human wisdom.
1 Corinthians 2
What we have received is not the spirit but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things ...[text shortened]... not have the mind of Christ. To claim a natural man does claims salvation by one's own ability.
People without the Spirit do not accept the teachings of Christ as they come from the Spirit and they consider these teachings foolishness. These teachings are discerned only though the Spirit.
Jesus Christ said that if you want eternal life keep the commandments. Those who are guided by the Spirit of God understand these words and do not question them but accepts them and DOES them. Those who are not guided by the Spirit of God will make statements like -
- only Jesus can do the commandments
- keeping the commandments is trying to earn salvation
- I dont know how many commandments to keep
These people do not have the mind of Christ
10 Jul 18
Originally posted by @rajk999You are full of opinion, short on scripture that backs it up. You admit you have not
For example, there are people that have problems understand the teachings of Christ. These teachings are words taught by the Spirit and not by human wisdom.
People without the Spirit do not accept the teachings of Christ as they come from the Spirit and they consider these teachings foolishness. These teachings are discerned only though the Spirit.
Je ...[text shortened]... tion
- I dont know how many commandments to keep
These people do not have the mind of Christ
received the Spirit of God, you do works which is great, but works do not cleaness you of
sin, nor do they make you worthy of God. Without the Spirit of God you do not belong to
God, and you cannot please God. You have been shown scripture for these a number
of times, yet you ignore them.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayYou have the Spirit of God? Thats a laugh
You are full of opinion, short on scripture that backs it up. You admit you have not
received the Spirit of God, you do works which is great, but works do not cleaness you of
sin, nor do they make you worthy of God. Without the Spirit of God you do not belong to
God, and you cannot please God. You have been shown scripture for these a number
of times, yet you ignore them.
Yet you side with sonship and deny Christ?
You were condemning good works and asking how many does one have to do.
Lol 😀 Thats like the guys who work miracles and think thats what Jesus wants
Jesus will say I never knew you.
Jesus said if you want eternal life, keep the commandments.
You do not have the mind of Christ
10 Jul 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayGod is the vine and Jesus himself classifies God the father as being the only one who is good. Even Jesus is considered a branch only doing the good of the Father. Anyone who does actual good from God's point of view is simply following God's instruction.
We are in agreement about the natural state of man, I was referring to nature earlier.
Nature as in animals and trees and such are neither good nor evil.
10 Jul 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayWe are born guilty, jesus saved us, a three-year old can connect those dots.
So God saves only the righteous? Did I read this right?
God saves everyone without exception? Did I read this right?
God only saves those who do right? Did I read this right?
Did I leave something out?
Move the goal-posts now.
10 Jul 18
Originally posted by @rajk999The sad thing about you is that you throw together scripture sometimes as if they apply
You have the Spirit of God? Thats a laugh
Yet you side with sonship and deny Christ?
You were condemning good works and asking how many does one have to do.
Lol 😀 Thats like the guys who work miracles and think thats what Jesus wants
Jesus will say I never knew you.
Jesus said if you want eternal life, keep the commandments.
You do not have the mind of Christ
to the conversations you are in when they don't, but since you use scripture you think
you are actually saying something that applies. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit was to
come to lead us, teach us, comfort us. It isn't by my righteousness but Christ's, it isn't
that I earned anything it is God's gift. You are looking at all of this as if you and I have to
earn our way into God's grace, to be worthy, but it would not be grace if we were earning
it.
Even Peter when he was in his boat after Jesus taught by the water, when Jesus told
him to let down his nets, knew how unworthy he was and declared it to the Lord. Peter
knew it, but you think you can bribe God by doing some good works. The good works
follow our getting right with God, with God giving us His Spirit so on judgment day the
works will be there as a by product. As Ephesians teaches us, we are his workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should
walk in them.
Luke 5:8
But when Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord.”
1 John 3:24
Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.
1 John 4:13
By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.