@divegeester saidOk, so trying to mollify you so you finally shut up about it, so you don't waste ALL their time today, is "refreshing" to you?
Oh thanks!
That was a refreshing experience π
I guess it would be to a narcissist.
You're going to be quite busy, too busy for a job probably, when the red thumbs go away and you have to chase down and yell at everyone who disagrees with you.
@sonship saidThis is faith, not observable fact, because free will still exists.
@divegeester
I think as I said it is evidence pointing in the direction of God.
Absolute proof in this would require absolute onmiscience. And only God has that.
But I certainly count the law of gravity as exquisitely calibrated as it is and useful for the existence if the universe and life in it, as evidence of a planning, caring, designing Creator.
@suzianne saidI'm cool with a God who said or at least thought "Behold" albeit maybe not in so many words, inasmuch as it might have taken a while for language processing to develop in all the various sprouts of that mental gesture.
Surely you've heard of the Big Bang Theory.
@vivify saidIf you ask Metal Brain, he thinks gravity is created by time dilation.
Saying gravity is evidence of a creator is like saying "everything" is evidence of a creator, since anything with mass has gravity.
Gravity is simply a natural effect of mass; so by that logic, random dust floating in space is "evidence" of a creator; clouds of gas thinly spread out in space would be "evidence", and so on.
He never read a theory he couldn't screw up.
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@kevin-eleven saidMaybe he did say "Behold", although "Behold" seems to assume he is saying this TO someone. "Let there be Light" seems to be more a tagline thing a superhero would say, like, "I am Ironman."
I'm cool with a God who said or at least thought "Behold" albeit maybe not in so many words, inasmuch as it might have taken a while for language processing to develop in all the various sprouts of that mental gesture.
Many people speak of God breathing the universe into existence.
@suzianne saidMaybe in a way God did say "Behold" to us who might eventually be able to appreciate the Work, across the gaping canyon of Time. π
Maybe he did say "Behold", although "Behold" seems to assume he is saying this TO someone. "Let there be Light" seems to be more a tagline thing a superhero would say, like, "I am Ironman."
Many people speak of God breathing the universe into existence.
@suzianne saidNervous?
You're going to be quite busy, too busy for a job probably, when the red thumbs go away and you have to chase down and yell at everyone who disagrees with you.
@kevin-eleven saidA writer may insert themselves into a story they are writing, and the people in the
Maybe in a way God did say "Behold" to us who might eventually be able to appreciate the Work, across the gaping canyon of Time. π
story could never reach the writer on their own. So God could insert Himself
into His creation. The creation of the universe and all that is in it speaks to the glory
of God in its vastness, fine-tuning, functional complexity, and the very fact that is
also intelligently knowable so we can understand it all.
Another alternative is there is nothing and no one behind the universe, a mindless
cause without a goal, a plan, careless about every detail.
Which is the reasonable explanation?
@kellyjay said"Mindless", a "goal", a "plan, "careless". Human attributes. Why must you anthropomorphize a creator entity, assuming there is one?
Another alternative is there is nothing and no one behind the universe, a mindless
cause without a goal, a plan, careless about every detail.
@kellyjay saidWe are all just "sharing what goes on between our ears", KellyJay. You and me both. That's all there is going on here. If you don't want to share what you believe when you disagree with something, feel free to live your discussion-forum-life that way.
Why must you share what goes on between your ears when something said isn't to
your liking?