Is lying always a sin?

@philokalia said
I believe it was the Bishop and a Priest of Thessaloniki that, when the Nazis came, they were asked for a list of names of all of the Jews...

The Bishop and Priest wrote down that they were the only Jews in all of Thessaloniki, and that there were no other Jews. Meanwhile, in preparation, many Jews were already being hidden and others sent out of the city at the Bishop' ...[text shortened]... Bishop and Priest were the only "Jews" to die from that city.

I still remember the story fondly.

So the priests went to hell right?

Just kidd'in.

@suzianne said
Let's have the man speak for himself.

You think that SecondSon can’t speak for himself; did you read his posts aimed at me today?

Conveniently, no.

@divegeester said
You think that SecondSon can’t speak for himself; did you read his posts aimed at me today?

Conveniently, no.

Unlike you two, I don't live on this forum.

@divegeester said
You think that SecondSon can’t speak for himself; did you read his posts aimed at me today?

Conveniently, no.

You might be surprised to learn that posts critical of you do not hold the same gravitas for me as they obviously do for you.

@suzianne said
Unlike you two, I don't live on this forum.

Just enough to drop by and swing a couple of punches and your detractors huh.

@suzianne said
You might be surprised to learn that posts critical of you do not hold the same gravitas for me as they obviously do for you.

As I said, convenient. Convenitent that despite you not “living in this forum” it is me you choose to have a pop at rather than SecondSon who called me “dense, a moron, a pinhead and an ashole.”

I don’t mind him calling me these names, in fact it go to prove my point about him and now about you also.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Apologies if you have done so already, but could you just affirm that you are not linked to the previous Joseph account.

I personally stopped communicating with Joseph when he asserted atheists were either ignorant or irrational. (Being neither of these things, I'm sure you can appreciate how vexatious I found his remarks).

That's the problem with rumors Ghost, which is why I've elected to simply ignore them. I won't dignify it with affirmation or denial. Let FMF and divegeester stew in it.

Irrationality is not the sole domain of any particular people group.

@secondson said
That's the problem with rumors Ghost, which is why I've elected to simply ignore them. I won't dignify it with affirmation or denial. Let FMF and divegeester stew in it.

Irrationality is not the sole domain of any particular people group.

Hilarious. Like you won’t confirm if there is a literal lake of fire with people being thrown alive into it.

You’re a sham.

@divegeester said
Hilarious. Like you won’t confirm if there is a literal lake of fire with people being thrown alive into it.

You’re a sham.

I've confirmed that already. Obviously the idea of a literal lake of fire and "the dead" being cast alive into it is too much for your constitution to handle even though that's exactly what the Bible says.

Your belief is a sham.

@secondson said
I've confirmed that already. Obviously the idea of a literal lake of fire and "the dead" being cast alive into it is too much for your constitution to handle even though that's exactly what the Bible says.

Your belief is a sham.

Ok I’m going to go with you on this then...

So the lake of fire is literal and people will be cast into it..literally, and they will be everlastingly suffering in it.

And this is NOT eternal torture how?

@divegeester said
Ok I’m going to go with you on this then...

So the lake of fire is literal and people will be cast into it..literally, and they will be everlastingly suffering in it.

And this is NOT eternal torture how?

You're such an idiot. Does this really need to be explained to you?

I'll give you a hint so you can figure it out for yourself so you won't have to make a complete fool of yourself here.

Ask yourself WHY the lost are cast into the lake of fire.

Maybe by some miracle you might actually begin to understand something about everlasting punishment.

@divegeester said
Just enough to drop by and swing a couple of punches and your detractors huh.

Dodge and weave, dodge and weave, float like a butterfly and sting like a bee........

@secondson said
You're such an idiot. Does this really need to be explained to you?

I'll give you a hint so you can figure it out for yourself so you won't have to make a complete fool of yourself here.

Ask yourself WHY the lost are cast into the lake of fire.

Maybe by some miracle you might actually begin to understand something about everlasting punishment.

I’m an idiot, an moron, a pinhead and an ashole...yes yes we all know how tough you think you are online Josephw.

Meanwhile why don’t you explain to the forum how casting people into a lake of fire so that they can experience “everlasting punishment” is not torture.

Perhaps you think is a methaphor. Have you looked up what a metaphor in the bible is yet?

@whodey said
Dodge and weave, dodge and weave, float like a butterfly and sting like a bee........

What are you on about Whodey?

@divegeester said
@Josephw (posting as @SecondSon) is claiming that lying to a liar is not a sin; is this substantiated?

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies” (John 8:44).

Thoughts...

Well for one Satan is the Father of lies, not the Devil. The devil is the father of temptation.

But lying is always a sin in my book.

As the redeemed father of temptation I am not allowed to lie about, nor sugarcoat, nor underscore anything I say.
It's part of the Redemption