05 Mar 22
@pb1022 saidThe OT is the book of the Jewish religion. It 'explains' why the Jews are being tested, why they think of themselves as God's chosen people.
You think Adam and Eve were Jews?
Didn’t you think the same thing about Noah?
Jews are descendants of Abraham who was born well after Adam, Eve and Noah.
05 Mar 22
@josephw saidI read the abstract. Don't think I'll slog through all 43,000 pages of Panin's collected works. My comment is: torture numbers and they'll tell you anything. There are many instances of numerology applied to ancient texts, not only biblical numerology. I don't deny that he found patterns; some patterns are really there in nature (such as recurring seasons), whereas other patterns are projected by humans because they want to see patterns (the theory that there must be only 7 planets because there were exactly 7 platonic solids is one example). Panin was a trained mathematician, so he was pre-disposed to see mathematical patterns; he probably would have found patterns if he had studied Plato or Shakespeare, too. I don't see any proof of divine design there, just a crank mathematician. When he discovered that certain passages of the Bible did not fit his patterns, he decided that the accepted Hebrew and Greek texts were 'wrong' and amended them to fit his mathematical scheme. He claimed he was recovering the lost original version of the text. Rewriting the Bible. Need I say more?
Not plausible?
You seem like an intelligent person. I wouldn't expect you to believe in something implausible. Read Ivan Panin. His work with the mathematical structure of the scriptures has never been falsified. A short read.
"This article is in truth an oversimplification of the work of Dr Panin and others who followed in his footsteps. Dr Panin's work initially invol ...[text shortened]... n millions of small neat calculations. It involved volumes."
http://www.wordworx.co.nz/panin.html
05 Mar 22
@moonbus said
"Need I say more"?
Not really. Seems the abstract has been tampered with. When I read it years ago it said some other things, and other things were added.
In that day the mathematics department at Harvard was thrown into a tizzy trying to duplicate a numerical system to other languages, and disprove Panin's work. Panin placed an advertisement in a newspaper challenging anyone to falsify his work offering a large sum of money, but no one could do it.
Fact is the numerical patterns, and the odds of them occurring as they do in ever increasing and complicated patterns associated with the Greek and Hebrew texts, prove Devine origin, and that it is impossible it be the work of a mere mortal. But I guess you'd have to dig a little deeper to prove it to yourself.
06 Mar 22
@josephw saidThe patterns Panin 'discovered' mean nothing. There is nothing in Panin's work which calls for disproof, because he has proven nothing.
@moonbus said
"Need I say more"?
Not really. Seems the abstract has been tampered with. When I read it years ago it said some other things, and other things were added.
In that day the mathematics department at Harvard was thrown into a tizzy trying to duplicate a numerical system to other languages, and disprove Panin's work. Panin placed an advertisement in ...[text shortened]... be the work of a mere mortal. But I guess you'd have to dig a little deeper to prove it to yourself.
Look into the night sky, you will see millions of points of light. Connect the dots, they make constellations. The constellations are images of the Greek gods and heroes. You cannot disprove it. Because there is nothing there to disprove. Same with Panin's rubbish patterns in the Bible; they don't prove anything, he simply projected patterns into the text. Then he tried to rewrite the bits of the Bible that didn't fit his imaginary system. It's all bosh.
07 Mar 22
@divegeester saidJosephw?
Is the talking snake in the garden of Eden a literal talking snake, or was it a “metaphor”?
08 Mar 22
@divegeester saidBump for Josephw, who since acknowledging that the snake in Eden is a metaphor, seems to have disappeared.
Is the talking snake in the garden of Eden a literal talking snake, or was it a “metaphor”?