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@medullah saidI think this mark is very well described in Revelation, so it should be easy to spot. Some people tend to go overboard and refer to implants as the mark of the beast. The important thing is there must be no worship of anyone other than God. Revelation was clear that it is those who worship this beast are the ones who are destroyed. I do not see how a true follower of Christ can get caught in this.
We get two pretty stark warning in Revelation against taking the mark, to be found at Rev 13:16-17 and again at Rev 14 9-10. There is a caveat with the latter, around the worship of the beast, but it's clear that taking this mark isn't a great idea.
If the authorities were to put out an advertisement "come and get your mark of the beast" it isn't going to happen with Chri ...[text shortened]... ned beast is already pulling strings and has been since WW2 in particular; the Anglo-American power.
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Medulleh,
You and I can converse seriously or you can trade comments with Rajk999. But know that all he can do is call names like "stupid," "moron," and say something is "total nonsense." That is all he can do - give a mostly emotional grand denunciation of everything I write.
But if you want to be serious with me about the few remarks I made, let me know. And then I will treat the time and labor to clarify seriously.
If I misspelled rapture as rupture, excuse me.
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Easy to spot if its shown clearly. So we have a "Quantum Tattoo (you'll find loads on this on the internet, including interviews with Bill Gates who want to control it through Microsoft) which start off as a tracking mechanism for vaccines called a vaccine passport. The tattoo is designed to be on the body, so there has to be a jump, and probably the financial tracking/storage added at the end, so that the passport/mark evolves. Interestingly the Israelites were forbidden tattoos.
But lets say that they are pretty and don't look too bad and that there is nothing intrinsically offensive. We then get into what you have had to do, what you have had to subject your body to in order to get one. Which takes us to what is actually in the vaccine, bits of which are proprietary and therefore the pharma companies don't have to declare them.
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@sonship saidNobody takes you seriously because you do not quote the bible. So far all your comments about the rapture is nonsense and not in the bible. If they are then please quote it. I gave no emotional denunciation of what you wrote. I am stating categorically that your points on the rapture is not in the bible. If they were you would quote the bible. But you cannot.
Medulleh,
You and I can converse seriously or you can trade comments with Rajk999. But know that all he can do is call names like stupid, moron, and say something is total nonsense. That is all he can do - give a mostly emotional denunciation of everything I write.
But if you want to be serious with me about the few remarks I made, let me know. And then I will treat the time and labor to clarify seriously.
If I misspelled rapture as rupture, excuse me.
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@medullah saidWell Revelation is clear. The mark is 666, or something related to it and it is placed on the hand or forehead. Most important, it represents the worship of someone and therefore idolatry. I will check the Quantum Tattoo you spoke of.
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Easy to spot if its shown clearly. So we have a "Quantum Tattoo (you'll find loads on this on the internet, including interviews with Bill Gates who want to control it through Microsoft) which start off as a tracking mechanism for vaccines called a vaccine passport. The tattoo is designed to be on the body, so there has to be a jump, and probably the financial tr ...[text shortened]... accine, bits of which are proprietary and therefore the pharma companies don't have to declare them.
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You are both are capable of constructive criticism and bringing stuff to the table. Where you have a problem Son is that you are introducing stuff that isn't specifically taught.
You have to open to the possibility that it is taught but you have never noticed it , . . . at least the possibility.
Now I appreciate the comment. And as my custom is I can show you where it is taught to the extent that I have been convinced. But you should be specific about what exactly I wrote which you claim is not taught. I do not intend to defend beliefs that I don't have.
Having said that, if your frame of mind is that you really do not need or want to be shown because you are quite comfortable with how you understand the matter, that is OK with me.
I'm ready to back up what I wrote IF you want a closer examination.
It could be that something much more basic and crucial about the deity of Jesus Christ we might discuss before that rapture / tribulation matter. That is more critical to the centrality of the whole Bible.
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Medulleh,
Where you have a problem Son is that you are introducing stuff that isn't specifically taught.
Let's start here. Did God remove Enoch who walked with God ?
Do you think this was just a miscellaneous random event or that it had significance in a larger sense to God's purpose in any way?
Two questions there.
"And Enoch lived sixty-five years and begot Methuselah.
And Enoch walked with God after he had begotten Methuselah three hundred years, and he begot more sons and daughters.
And all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. And Enoch walked with God and was not, for God took him." (Genesis 5:21-24)
Along with this Hebrews 11:5 concerning many heroes of faith:
"By faith Enoch was translated so that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God had translated him. For before his translation he obtained the testimony that he had been well pleasing to God." (Heb. 11:5)
To recap, I suggested, let us START here. (Not FINISH here, but only START)
And -
1.) Did God take Enoch alive from the earth somewhere?
2.) Do you regard this was just a miscellaneous random event like in a scrap book of unrelated stuff God did? Or do you suspect it might have some greater significance to God's over all purpose - like perhaps something similar he might do latter in history ?
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@sonship saidThis is fascinating, it's an angle I'd not thought of. The Bible throughout uses foreshadowing to set up future events. While it could be merely foreshadowing Elijah being taken to heaven in a whirlwind, it seems likely that both events might foreshadow an eventual "rapture" event. As I've told you before, I've been on the fence forever about the Rapture, but in recent years have been leaning towards that it could be true.
1.) Did God take Enoch alive from the earth somewhere?
2.) Do you regard this was just a miscellaneous random event like in a scrap book of unrelated stuff God did? Or do you suspect it might have some greater significance to God's over all purpose - like perhaps something similar he might do latter in history ?
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@rajk999 saidI agree that any notion of God’s people being raptured away from Earthly persecutions is non-biblical. (Jesus even called it a blessing - Matt. 5:10).
Nobody takes you seriously because you do not quote the bible. So far all your comments about the rapture is nonsense and not in the bible. If they are then please quote it. I gave no emotional denunciation of what you wrote. I am stating categorically that your points on the rapture is not in the bible. If they were you would quote the bible. But you cannot.
'Blessed are those who have been persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.'
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...and of course Psalm 37:11 "But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."
The (scriptural) destiny of mankind is the earth, that is where he was built and designed to be.
Though clearly if you an athiest you might not quite see it that way ......... 😉
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@medullah saidI think if we read any book at face value, whether it be the Bible or Lord of the Rings, it's possible to follow the script. I don't need to be a Hobbit to understand that the ring was thrown in the fires of Mount Doom any more than I need to be a theist to follow the plot of scripture.
...and of course Psalm 37:11 "But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."
The (scriptural) destiny of mankind is the earth, that is where he was built and designed to be.
Though clearly if you an athiest you might not quite see it that way ......... 😉
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@suzianne saidIn the case of Elijah it is significant that he was busy preparing the younger generation to continue the work of God should he depart. He had the school of the prophets. He cared for God's interests on earth and not just his own blessing.
This is fascinating, it's an angle I'd not thought of. The Bible throughout uses foreshadowing to set up future events. While it could be merely foreshadowing Elijah being taken to heaven in a whirlwind, it seems likely that both events might foreshadow an eventual "rapture" event. As I've told you before, I've been on the fence forever about the Rapture, but in recent years have been leaning towards that it could be true.
He would not leave without doing his duty to equip the younger ones left to carry on as prophets.
So one aspect of rapture's effect is seen with Enoch.
And a further aspect of rapture is seen with Elijah.
And though I won't get into it now, even further aspects of rapture are seen with Elisha, who was left after Elijah departed and was mocked by the evil and cynical bratty rebels who teased him for not going up like his master Elijah.
It really is quite significant - the Old Testament examples.