The scriptures teach us that while Jesus was made temporally lower than the angels this was to accomplish the plan to redeem man. Once this was done Jesus did get to be one with the father and to receive His Glory back.
No one is perfect but God right? It takes perfection to please God right? How else could God redeem man? He needed perfection (perfect Lamb) Himself....God is our redeemer and He did this by becoming flesh and dwelling among man and this is How he redeemed fallen man.
Manny
Originally posted by galveston75Your splitting hairs G-Man and who cares Satan / The Covering Cherub mentioned in Ezekiel I think we can all agree on who Satan is and who created Satan.
Jehovah created the angel that made himself satan so he needs to clearify his statement.
Manny
PS: Satan is beautiful no horns at all "The enticement of religion" He can come as an angel of light as Paul said
Originally posted by menace71Jesus was perfect just like the rest of the angels are that Jehovah created. God could have asked any angel to do what Jesus did but he didn't. He asked his "first born son" to do this and Jesus did exactly what his Father Jehovah asked of him.
The scriptures teach us that while Jesus was made temporally lower than the angels this was to accomplish the plan to redeem man. Once this was done Jesus did get to be one with the father and to receive His Glory back.
No one is perfect but God right? It takes perfection to please God right? How else could God redeem man? He needed perfection (perfect ...[text shortened]... this by becoming flesh and dwelling among man and this is How he redeemed fallen man.
Manny
So no it was not God himself that came to earth. Have you forgotten the "no one may see God and live" scripture?
There are so many contradictions with the trinity trying to make it work and so many scriptures that are ignored that completely don't fit and clearly contradict it.
I'm going to bed but you have still not responded to those two scriptures that Jesus himself, in person, not someone elses words that NO ONE is to be worshipped but his Father. How can you ignor those two simple scriptures and still believe they are the same spirit and that both are to be worshipped together equally? How?
Originally posted by menace71Sorry for being exact and stating a truth....
Your splitting hairs G-Man and who cares Satan / The Covering Cherub mentioned in Ezekiel I think we can all agree on who Satan is and who created Satan.
Manny
PS: Satan is beautiful no horns at all "The enticement of religion" He can come as an angel of light as Paul said
The Holy Spirit in Creation: the Spirit of God
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
(Genesis 1:1-2 NKJV)
The Triune God in Creation: The Hebrew word for God is plural and the pronouns Us and Our are also plural.
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[b] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
(Genesis 1:26-27 NKJV)
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!
The instructor
Originally posted by RJHindsI'll try one more time: I asked about the holy spirit being worshipped. Where is that said in the Bible?
The Holy Spirit in Creation: [b]the Spirit of God
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
(Genesis 1:1-2 NKJV)
The Triune God in Creation: The Hebrew word for God is plural and ...[text shortened]... 27 NKJV)
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!
The instructor[/b]
Originally posted by galveston75This is where we will disagree as Jesus was not an angel. Read the book of Hebrews carefully. This book is meant first for the Hebrews and also to show the superiority of Christ. Christ fills all of the roles needed for man. First he is better than the priesthood of Aaron then He is also shown as a King. The King and priesthood did not mix in the old testament but in Christ they are united. It also says that Christ is better than the angels (better meaning not the same)
Jesus was perfect just like the rest of the angels are that Jehovah created. God could have asked any angel to do what Jesus did but he didn't. He asked his "first born son" to do this and Jesus did exactly what his Father Jehovah asked of him.
So no it was not God himself that came to earth. Have you forgotten the "no one may see God and live" scriptu ...[text shortened]... elieve they are the same spirit and that both are to be worshipped together equally? How?
Manny
Originally posted by galveston75No one has seen the Father at any time.
Jesus was perfect just like the rest of the angels are that Jehovah created. God could have asked any angel to do what Jesus did but he didn't. He asked his "first born son" to do this and Jesus did exactly what his Father Jehovah asked of him.
So no it was not God himself that came to earth. Have you forgotten the "no one may see God and live" scriptu ...[text shortened]... elieve they are the same spirit and that both are to be worshipped together equally? How?
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
(John 1:18 NIV)
Originally posted by galveston75Dude if you noticed I've only responded with scripture lets deal with one thing at a time. First Christ then of course the Spirit as the Spirit of God is God no argument.....are you upset by scripture?
Dead end again I see as you will not respond to my questions about those scriptures. I knew you wouldn't as I know you can't. Goodnight...
Manny
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
The Son Exalted Above Angels
For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
And of the angels He says:
“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”
But to which of the angels has He ever said:
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?
(Hebrews 1 NKJV)
The Instuctor
Hebrews 1 (New American Standard Bible)
Hebrews 1
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
God’s Final Word in His Son
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again,
“I will be a Father to Him
And He shall be a Son to Me”?
6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,
“And let all the angels of God worship Him.”
7 And of the angels He says,
“Who makes His angels winds,
And His ministers a flame of fire.”
8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness above Your companions.”
From the Great book of Hebrews
Manny
LOL I guess we think a like in some things huh RJ 🙂 well I guess it is that unity that G-Man so longs for
And I love Verse Hebrews 1 Verse 5...........
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again,
“I will be a Father to Him
And He shall be a Son to Me”?
6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,
“And let all the angels of God worship Him.”
And let all the angels of God worship who? JESUS
Originally posted by menace71Yes, it seems amazing that there now seems to be someone else on RHP that thinks like me. A curse or a blessing?
LOL I guess we think a like in some things huh RJ 🙂 well I guess it is that unity that G-Man so longs for
And I love Verse Hebrews 1 Verse 5...........
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again,
“I will be a Father to Him
And He shall be a Son to Me”?
6 And when He again brings th ...[text shortened]... And let all the angels of God worship Him.”
And let all the angels of God worship who? JESUS
The Instructor