Originally posted by divegeesterThis is largely because of the major disconnect between what most theists claim to believe and how they actually act. For many theists, what they claim to believe actually remains largely hypothetical rather than real.
Excellent point. What most of the Christians here believe their version of God will do to unbelievers in and for eternity, is infinitely worse that what terrorist Islamics could do here on earth in a thousand lifetimes. It's astonishing that posters like RHhinds cannot receive this.
06 Dec 15
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Originally posted by twhiteheadYes, an interesting point; I sometimes wonder to myself if I really believe what I think I believe. However my point is separate from that and quite frightenly fundamental about the mindset of many Christians who choose to accept that their version of God is morally justified and righteous is taking billions of people and keeping them alive supernaturally while he tortures them for eternity in hell. I've previously said in this forum that if it transpired that the writer of revelation (assuming it was who the Bibel claims it to be) meant that God was actually going to do that, then I would have to reject the NT writings of at person in the entirety. Religion should and must do good, project goodness in its doctrines, and preach a God who is good and just. Otherwise for me at least, there is no point to it.
This is largely because of the major disconnect between what most theists claim to believe and how they actually act. For many theists, what they claim to believe actually remains largely hypothetical rather than real.
06 Dec 15
Originally posted by divegeesterThere is a point, but sinister one. Control. You can't have a nice friendly god if you want to control your population. Look at Islam, death to apostates, death to adulterers and so forth. You can't have a nice god and expect to control your slaves.
Yes, an interesting point; I sometimes wonder to myself if I really believe what I think I believe. However my point is separate from that and quite frightenly fundamental about the mindset of many Christians who choose to accept that their version of God is morally justified and righteous is taking billions of people and keeping them alive supernaturall ...[text shortened]... ines, and preach a God who is good and just. Otherwise for me at least, there is no point to it.
06 Dec 15
Originally posted by sonhouseI realise the point of the false doctrines, thank you. I was saying that if those false teachings turned out, in fact, to be what the writer had originally intended them to mean then there would be no point in my following those writings. I'm not ashamed of what I believe I just make sure I question my beliefs and why I hold them and how they affect me.
There is a point, but sinister one. Control. You can't have a nice friendly god if you want to control your population. Look at Islam, death to apostates, death to adulterers and so forth. You can't have a nice god and expect to control your slaves.
Originally posted by divegeesterI don't receive untruth very easily so there is nothing about it that is astonishing.
Excellent point. What most of the Christians here believe their version of God will do to unbelievers in and for eternity, is infinitely worse that what terrorist Islamics could do here on earth in a thousand lifetimes. It's astonishing that posters like RHhinds cannot receive this.
The question I would like answered is what if you refuse to pay the jtxya tax? 😏
http://www.politicalislam.com/the-mosque-a-state-within-a-state/
06 Dec 15
Originally posted by divegeesterA person either believes what Jesus said and complies or he does not. Believers receive eternal life and unbelievers receive eternal torment. It is as simple as that. 😏
Yes, an interesting point; I sometimes wonder to myself if I really believe what I think I believe. However my point is separate from that and quite frightenly fundamental about the mindset of many Christians who choose to accept that their version of God is morally justified and righteous is taking billions of people and keeping them alive supernaturall ...[text shortened]... ines, and preach a God who is good and just. Otherwise for me at least, there is no point to it.
06 Dec 15
Originally posted by sonhouseIt is said that when Jesus returns He will rule with a rod of iron. What do you suppose that means?
There is a point, but sinister one. Control. You can't have a nice friendly god if you want to control your population. Look at Islam, death to apostates, death to adulterers and so forth. You can't have a nice god and expect to control your slaves.
07 Dec 15
Originally posted by RJHindsThat the whole fairy tale was concocted by men with an agenda to control. That is it in a nutshell and you who are duped are just that, duped and programmed to resist any effort to show you the truth.
It is said that when Jesus returns He will rule with a rod of iron. What do you suppose that means?
Instead you just spout off more bible verses 'proving' you are right, but in fact all you are doing is your usual circular reasoning, the bible is right because the bible says so.
What it does in fact is make sure there will be religious warfare for the foreseeable future. WAY into the future, our great great great grandkids will still be trapped in all this folly. And OF COURSE you will be all for it since your bible assures you your JC is coming back, right around the corner now, only 2000 years and counting.
What a load of crap. The biggest scam in human history, well ALMOST, there is also Islam and Hinduism, also a bunch of fairy tales.
Of course you come back and say 'I agree those are bogus, fairy tales, but not MY religion'
And of course those in the other religions say exactly the same about THEIR religions.
So the fighting goes on. If there is a deity involved, then it is only reasonable to say it WANTS things that way, so we cannot achieve real maturity as a species. Your deity WANTS us to be barbarians.
Lovely religion you are trapped in.
07 Dec 15
Originally posted by FMFIt's not exactly an "all or nothing" deal, you know. There's plenty of mis-interpretation to go around. Discernment is required.
If you and I are wrong, and their interpretation of God's will is correct and based on a true revelation of God, then it's bad news for the human race ~ even if the actions of ISIS pale into insignificance if we are to believe what many Christians think is the fate awaiting those who do not believe in their 'torturer God' figure.
Originally posted by RJHindsYou really are just a "one-trick pony", Ron.
I don't receive untruth very easily so there is nothing about it that is astonishing.
The question I would like answered is what if you refuse to pay the jtxya tax? 😏
http://www.politicalislam.com/the-mosque-a-state-within-a-state/
You put far too much importance on Islam.
When the hammer comes down, they'll be just another nail.
07 Dec 15
Originally posted by SuzianneIf for some reason you lived to be 1000 years old and just before you die in the year 3000 and no hammer has come, what do you say to your upteenth great grandkids?
You really are just a "one-trick pony", Ron.
You put far too much importance on Islam.
When the hammer comes down, they'll be just another nail.
Originally posted by RJHindsWhat don't you stop, think about what I said and actually address the point instead of deflecting.
I don't receive untruth very easily so there is nothing about it that is astonishing.
The question I would like answered is what if you refuse to pay the jtxya tax? 😏
http://www.politicalislam.com/the-mosque-a-state-within-a-state/
Your version of God will burn people in hell for eternity for being infidels. Islamic extremists kill people in the here and now once for being infidels. Which do you think is the worse crime?
Originally posted by divegeesterI think the the worse crime is Islamic extremists cutting off the heads of Christians. 😏
What don't you stop, think about what I said and actually address the point instead of deflecting.
Your version of God will burn people in hell for eternity for being infidels. Islamic extremists kill people in the here and now once for being infidels. Which do you think is the worse crime?