Spirituality
02 May 17
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYou are so full of it Duke, He sets the time for everyone but you think those are specially
Sorry Kelly, but your answer that 'God has set a time for everyone of us to die' falls woefully short of a justification for his behaviour in the OT.
bad why? Get a grip, every breath you take is air that is a gift of His, there is nothing you
have that doesn't bottom line come from him. If you are going to make some statement
about how that statement of mine doesn't apply, explain your reasoning at least, don't just
make an announcement no and think that is all it takes.
So tell me, the God who setup the whole universe, holds it together by the power of His
Word, sets the times for our lives, forms us in our mother's wombs did wrong when He
did what does for everyone with those people, WHY? Put up or shut up, mister I'm not
a control freak but will hold others accountable for those things you don't like.
Originally posted by KellyJayThe God of the OT did some truly awful things (of which I have linked to at least 20 examples) and so far you have given no reasonable explanation for his actions or why admiration of such a deity is justified.
You are so full of it Duke, He sets the time for everyone but you think those are specially
bad why? Get a grip, every breath you take is air that is a gift of His, there is nothing you
have that doesn't bottom line come from him. If you are going to make some statement
about how that statement of mine doesn't apply, explain your reasoning at least, don' ...[text shortened]... ister I'm not
a control freak but will hold others accountable for those things you don't like.
06 May 17
Originally posted by KellyJayYou are so full of it Duke, He sets the time for everyone but you think those are specially
You are so full of it Duke, He sets the time for everyone but you think those are specially
bad why? Get a grip, every breath you take is air that is a gift of His, there is nothing you
have that doesn't bottom line come from him. If you are going to make some statement
about how that statement of mine doesn't apply, explain your reasoning at least, don' ...[text shortened]... ister I'm not
a control freak but will hold others accountable for those things you don't like.
bad why?
Do you believe that murder is "specially bad"? Why? The murdered person's time was set by God and the murderer simply God's instrument.
Originally posted by KellyJayAnyone who has given serious study to the Old and New Testament is misguided in their conclusion that the same God is portrayed and off their religious trolley if they maintain this same God is unchanging.
I'll look at what you post here and respond to those things.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYou told me about God ending the life of people as if that were something new since God
The God of the OT did some truly awful things (of which I have linked to at least 20 examples) and so far you have given no reasonable explanation for his actions or why admiration of such a deity is justified.
sets up everything's beginning and end, what is it about them that you find so wrong and
unjustified when God does it? He started the universe, He has plans to end it too, He
forms us in our mother's wombs, and has set the time limit for the end of each of our lives,
He gives and takes away. He is God, not some moron who has no say in any part of our
existence, He holds the universe together that you live in, and how is this not part of His
right?
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYou since you don't believe God to be real, I suppose you can make up the rules for your
Anyone who has given serious study to the Old and New Testament is misguided in their conclusion that the same God is portrayed and off their religious trolley if they maintain this same God is unchanging.
god any way you like, he is only found in your head. Taking scripture as is, there is only
ONE God, your misguided grasp of Him does not settle anything out side of showing you
know nothing about one you claimed to have studied.
06 May 17
Originally posted by KellyJayOkay, clearly the 20 examples I referenced have overwhelmed you. How about giving feedback to just one of them:
You told me about God ending the life of people as if that were something new since God
sets up everything's beginning and end, what is it about them that you find so wrong and
unjustified when God does it? He started the universe, He has plans to end it too, He
forms us in our mother's wombs, and has set the time limit for the end of each of our lives, ...[text shortened]... stence, He holds the universe together that you live in, and how is this not part of His
right?
4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
06 May 17
Originally posted by KellyJayKelly, by claiming the same unchanging God is portrayed in both the OT and NT you are merely demonstrating God's true nature is unknown to you.
You since you don't believe God to be real, I suppose you can make up the rules for your
god any way you like, he is only found in your head. Taking scripture as is, there is only
ONE God, your misguided grasp of Him does not settle anything out side of showing you
know nothing about one you claimed to have studied.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI gave you feed back on all of them, God sets the time for all of our deaths. Nothing has
Okay, clearly the 20 examples I referenced have overwhelmed you. How about giving feedback to just one of them:
4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
been promised to you, me, or anyone else about how long your life is supposed to be.
Maybe you got a promise from someone, did anyone promise you a long life, or anyone
you know? Did anyone promise you, your next breath? I'm not the one who is claiming
God did something evil for something God does for HIS creation, for His reasons, for
His purposes. Do you also complain about God when HIS sunshine is removed by rain on
some days, do you complain about God when things don't go your way?
How is it exactly that you can demand God act the way you want Him too again, I missed
that part?
Originally posted by KellyJayYour sticking plaster answer doesn't come close to healing the gaping wound of:
I gave you feed back on all of them, God sets the time for all of our deaths. Nothing has
been promised to you, me, or anyone else about how long your life is supposed to be.
Maybe you got a promise from someone, did anyone promise you a long life, or anyone
you know? Did anyone promise you, your next breath? I'm not the one who is claiming
God did some ...[text shortened]... w is it exactly that you can demand God act the way you want Him too again, I missed
that part?
'God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them. In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.'
I expect God to lead by example. If you wish to worship a tyrant, good for you.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeHardly, God has been moving towards an end, that end is Jesus Christ becoming one of
Kelly, by claiming the same unchanging God is portrayed in both the OT and NT you are merely demonstrating God's true nature is unknown to you.
us so we could know God by seeing Jesus. You again, have some made up god between
your ears, so now when confronted with the real thing you don't know how to wrap your
mind around it. You are just like those that said Jesus was a sinner, because they had
God in box, they thought He had to act a certain way so when He healed on the Sabbath
the accused Him of sin, NOT grasping it was they who couldn't see what was right
in front of them.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeWith the exception of those alive today, everyone before us are all dead. You picking out
Your sticking plaster answer doesn't come close to healing the gaping wound of:
'God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them. In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.'
I expect God to lead by example. If you wish to worship a tyrant, good for you.
a cherry picked few to accuse God of some wrong only shows your study has not taught
you a thing about God.