Jack Chick is the man!

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
the ball is still in your court.

and all souls live forever, regardless of destination.

Grandiose statements aside, self-awareness ends at death.

As all reality and reason necessarily begin with God

Perhaps in your world...which, of course, contains demonic possession, faith healings, resurrections, and unproven tales of a 'creator'. I'm quite satisfied that our existence and consciousness are the result of naturally-explained phenomena.

Originally posted by David C
[b]And how many times are you going to parrot Down Bran on the whole "Constantine created Christianity" bit?

I'm not sure what a "Down Bran" is, but the idea that modern Christianity was created at Nicea is not new. Do you deny that several versions of Christianity were "on the table" at Nicea? Including those that did not consider Jesus as divine?
...[text shortened]... r Church, all the loser's sh** goes up in a big, smoking bonfire. Just ask Moctezuma.[/b]

Do you deny that several versions of Christianity were "on the table" at Nicea?

Absolutely. Only two "versions" were on the table at Nicea - Arianism and orthodox Christianity. And orthodox Christianity was affirmed by a "close vote" (in the words of "symbologist" Teabing) of 316-2.

Including those that did not consider Jesus as divine?

Contrary to popular belief, Arianism did not consider Jesus not-divine. Arianism followed the classic Neo-Platonist scheme of 'THE God' (my terminology - can't remember the exact term now) followed by a series of emanations (the first of which was the Logos or 'Word'😉 ending with material creation. The Logos, though still divine, was considered an inferior class of being to 'THE God' but superior to the rest of creation. This was what was on the table at Nicea.

Remember, history is written by the winners, and in the case of your Church, all the loser's sh** goes up in a big, smoking bonfire.

This is ridiculous. You're making up a 'Big Conspiracy' theory to explain away the simple fact that you haven't produced a single shred of evidence for your claim.

Originally posted by David C
and all souls live forever, regardless of destination.

Grandiose statements aside, self-awareness ends at death.

As all reality and reason necessarily begin with God

Perhaps in your world...which, of course, contains demonic possession, faith healings, resurrections, and unproven tales of a 'creator'. I'm quite satisfied that our existence and consciousness are the result of naturally-explained phenomena.[/b]

Grandiose statements aside, self-awareness ends at death.
Based on no less an authority than yourself again. As before, I stick with the only authority on the subject, thanks.

I'm quite satisfied that our existence and consciousness are the result of naturally-explained phenomena.
Unfortunately such an explanation for your rejection will not fly with the Creator... and the odds against you actually having the composure to offer such an absurdity when that time comes are close to nil. "Naturally-explained phenomena:" one can only shake one's head at the silliness.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
[b]Grandiose statements aside, self-awareness ends at death.
Based on no less an authority than yourself again. As before, I stick with the only authority on the subject, thanks.[/b]

Who or what is that again? Sorry if I'm being slow.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Who or what is that again? Sorry if I'm being slow.

Gee oh dee.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Gee oh dee.

Whose word is contained exclusively in the Bible?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Whose word is contained exclusively in the Bible?

If, by that, you mean that the Bible is God's word to man, the authoritative source for man's every spiritual need, yes.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
This is ridiculous. You're making up a 'Big Conspiracy' theory to explain away the simple fact that you haven't produced a single shred of evidence for your claim.

You cannot possibly be serious. Despite your attempt to colour me as a conspiracy theorist yet again, the RCC has an undeniable history of violent suppresion and destruction of non-Christian religions and religious works. Perhaps you'd like to start be explaining what happened to Hypatia and the Serapeum?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Based on no less an authority than yourself again. As before, I stick with the only authority on the subject, thanks.

Not quite. That would be based on observations of human physiology by science and its' methods. Unless you're ready to demonstrate that this "soul" you claim is "eternal" actually exists, you are (once again) outside of reason and reality. Additionally, there are numerous "authorities" on the subject. You have apparently chosen one of them at random and decided it to be true. So, I'll stick with what we can observe about the reality of nature. Feel free to stick to groundless conjecture on the supernatural.

Unfortunately such an explanation for your rejection will not fly with the Creator..

Since every one of your statements is based on the outright contrivance of this "creator", your pretentious appeal to the consequence does little more than bring a grin to my face. Thanks, I guess...but I'm shaking my head right back atcha, chief.

Originally posted by David C
Not quite. That would be based on observations of human physiology by science and its' methods. Unless you're ready to demonstrate that this "soul" you claim is "eternal" actually exists, you are (once again) outside of reason and reality. Additionally, there are numerous "authorities" on the subject. You have apparently chosen one of them at random and deci ...[text shortened]... grin to my face. Thanks, I guess...but I'm shaking my head right back atcha, chief.

You are assuming that your equipment, observational skill and analysis are beyond reproach. I apologize if I do not share your enthusiasm, given the shaky-at-best record that man's 'rock solid' performance has turned in to date.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
[b]Do you deny that several versions of Christianity were "on the table" at Nicea?

Absolutely. Only two "versions" were on the table at Nicea - Arianism and orthodox Christianity. And orthodox Christianity was affirmed by a "close vote" (in the words of "symbologist" Teabing) of 316-2.

[b/]Including those that did not consider Jesus as divine le fact that you haven't produced a single shred of evidence for your claim.[/b]

"Popular belief" includes the Catholic Encyclopedia, which states in its first sentence of its article on Arianism:

A heresy which arose in the fourth century, and denied the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01707c.htm

Originally posted by no1marauder
"Popular belief" includes the Catholic Encyclopedia, which states in its first sentence of its article on Arianism:

A heresy which arose in the fourth century, and denied the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01707c.htm

If I didn't know any better (and truly, I don't, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt), I'd say that you have a bit of a crush on LH. Whattya think? Am I off the mark by much?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
If I didn't know any better (and truly, I don't, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt), I'd say that you have a bit of a crush on LH. Whattya think? Am I off the mark by much?

Someone has to attempt to correct at least some of the massive amounts of misinformation he spews on this forum. Sadly, I can't commit to it on a full time basis which would be necessary to clean up his historical dishonesty in a thorough manner.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
You are assuming that your equipment, observational skill and analysis are beyond reproach.

Not entirely, however...I do hope you'll try to understand if I place more trust in scientific discovery and methodology than in the rehashed mythology and anthropomorphized Sun-worship that you're trying to foist.

Originally posted by David C
Not entirely, however...I do hope you'll try to understand if I place more trust in scientific discovery and methodology than in the rehashed mythology and anthropomorphized Sun-worship that you're trying to foist.

You may consider it folly, and I respect your decision to reject the message. However, I would be remiss in my duty if I did not at least attempt to impress upon others the message that God has impressed upon man. Specifically, He is not looking for those who are able to approximate a rigid religiosity, some stiff supposed holy posture that reflects an arbitrary human viewpoint of what perfection might want.

At this stage of the game, He is simply beating the bushes for anyone to bless. Got a thought in your head? You can be blessed. Can you make a decision? A simple acceptance of the work done by someone else on your behalf lands you in heaven. Those odds, in my thinking, are impossible to beat.