15 Jan 11
From a pure perspective Gandhi was a better man than Dahmer. There is no doubt.
I know what the evangelical take is on this subject. A sin is a sin but RB you don't see the irony in this? A dude kills and eats his victims while the other tried to help his fellow man. This is why my dad had such a hard time with Christianity. He's like so I can ask for forgiveness yet I lived my life like hell and will continue to do so does not make sense.
Dahmer did get what was coming to him no doubt and I'm sure he was not of sound mind either.
Manny
15 Jan 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI never felt any anger or ill feelings towards Dahmer, because his actions were so far beyond rational thought he seemed like a sad case of a human with a malfunctioned brain. It's like being upset with a retarded person. I forgive Dahmer because he seemed hopelessly damaged. God seems to be a real stickler on the technicalities of forgiving. You must be Born Again with the Blood of Jesus and then you can be forgivin. That pretty much leaves out a lot of humanity. You must jump through the hoop before you are considered forgivin. Something is wrong with this picture.
I watched an interview with him, he seemed quite rational, although admittedly his reasons for killing and eating people were not which one could describe as 'normal'. It seems that in serial killers, like him, like Dennis Rader for example, have a compelling force which they simply cannot control, Radar even stated that he felt like a monster. I h ...[text shortened]... in which the fantasy is so lucid that it becomes a reality leads them to commit horrific acts.
16 Jan 11
Originally posted by menace71"This is why my dad had such a hard time with Christianity. He's like so I can ask for forgiveness yet I lived my life like hell and will continue to do so does not make sense."
From a pure perspective Gandhi was a better man than Dahmer. There is no doubt.
I know what the evangelical take is on this subject. A sin is a sin but RB you don't see the irony in this? A dude kills and eats his victims while the other tried to help his fellow man. This is why my dad had such a hard time with Christianity. He's like so I can ask for forg ...[text shortened]... id get what was coming to him no doubt and I'm sure he was not of sound mind either.
Manny
It isn't like that at all, if you come to God for forgiveness you do so with the intent
to love and obey Him. Those that do it with just lip service will end up standing
before God in all their sins, on top of that their lives will serve as an excuse for
others to avoid God's love and forgiveness. That will not give anyone an excuse,
because had they really wanted to get right with God they could have. If you
turn your life over to God, you will be born again, and your past life no matter
bad it was will be forgiven, a new life for old. If you think your life is/was so good
before God you don't you need God's forgiveness, than you will find out how right
or wrong you were.
Kelly
16 Jan 11
Originally posted by buckkyGod seems to be a real stickler on the technicalities of forgiving
I never felt any anger or ill feelings towards Dahmer, because his actions were so far beyond rational thought he seemed like a sad case of a human with a malfunctioned brain. It's like being upset with a retarded person. I forgive Dahmer because he seemed hopelessly damaged. God seems to be a real stickler on the technicalities of forgiving. You must be Born ...[text shortened]... jump through the hoop before you are considered forgivin. Something is wrong with this picture.
I dont think that King Mannaseh was born again in the sense that born again Christians mean, nor had he put faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus, for Christ was not yet manifest. He was truly repentant, from the heart and Gods love was unconditional, this is the point. You can see it here on these forums, people are always subjecting God to their own standards of what is good and proper, as if God can be subject to a human.
(Isaiah 1:18) . . .“Come, now, you people, and let us set matters straight between us,” says Jehovah. “Though the sins of you people should prove to be as scarlet, they will be made white just like snow; though they should be red like crimson cloth, they will become even like wool. . .
God not only forgives, he forgets, which is not the case with humans.
17 Jan 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCan God have a memory so vague he forgets?
God seems to be a real stickler on the technicalities of forgiving
I dont think that King Mannaseh was born again in the sense that born again Christians mean, nor had he put faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus, for Christ was not yet manifest. He was truly repentant, from the heart and Gods love was unconditional, this is the point. You can s ...[text shortened]... ome even like wool. . .
God not only forgives, he forgets, which is not the case with humans.
No wait... Can God make a stone so big he can't move it....
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
18 Jan 11
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Originally posted by PhlabibitForgetting is one thing, choosing not to remember quite another.
Can God have a memory so vague he forgets?
No wait... Can God make a stone so big he can't move it....
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
Who said anything about God not being able to prevent evil? Why must you subject God to your own vision like ol Epicurus? Have you never read the Biblical account of Job, how God permitted evil to befall him? Was God not able to prevent that evil, hardly, because it raised certain issues which could only be resolved through the permitting of evil. Consider the verse,
(Job 2:3-8) . . .And Jehovah went on to say to Satan: “Have you set your heart upon my servant Job, that there is no one like him in the earth, a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside from bad? Even yet he is holding fast his integrity, although you incite me against him to swallow him up without cause.”
But Satan answered Jehovah and said: “Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a man has he will give in behalf of his soul. For a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch as far as his bone and his flesh and see whether he will not curse you to your very face.”
Accordingly Jehovah said to Satan: “There he is in your hand! Only watch out for his soul itself!”
Thus in this instance it is self evident that God permitted evil to befall Job, because it settled an issue, that being , whether indeed, a man, who is undergoing adversity would keep his integrity, despite that adversity, thus you have, in a microcosm, what is a universal issue.
18 Jan 11
And I thought I was messed up. If taken seriously, some of the ideas expressed in this thread are spectacularly abhorrent. You people have represent some really vile and repugnant concepts as the embodiment Christianity's ideals. I would suggest that you seriously re-evaluate your values and beliefs.
18 Jan 11
Originally posted by Hand of HecateChristian ideals? what are those Christian ideals that need to be, in your own words, re-evaluated, or are you just another epicurean trying to subject God to your own vision of what is right and wrong, in fact, why dont we simply set up and effigy of you, after all, you seem to be suggesting that you are a greater exponent of morality now than God. I suspect just another room full of mirrors to be honest.
And I thought I was messed up. If taken seriously, some of the ideas expressed in this thread are spectacularly abhorrent. You people have represent some really vile and repugnant concepts as the embodiment Christianity's ideals. I would suggest that you seriously re-evaluate your values and beliefs.
18 Jan 11
Originally posted by KellyJayI understand this Kelly but my dad did not that was my point.
"This is why my dad had such a hard time with Christianity. He's like so I can ask for forgiveness yet I lived my life like hell and will continue to do so does not make sense."
It isn't like that at all, if you come to God for forgiveness you do so with the intent
to love and obey Him. Those that do it with just lip service will end up standing
before ...[text shortened]... t you need God's forgiveness, than you will find out how right
or wrong you were.
Kelly
Manny
18 Jan 11
Originally posted by Hand of HecateThis coming from a man worse than Dahmer.
And I thought I was messed up. If taken seriously, some of the ideas expressed in this thread are spectacularly abhorrent. You people have represent some really vile and repugnant concepts as the embodiment Christianity's ideals. I would suggest that you seriously re-evaluate your values and beliefs.
18 Jan 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHoH makes zombies, here's the evidence!
Muhaha, you wouldn't like to go near ol H of H, hes likely to pull out a knife, fork and napkin and start licking your leg like it was a Texan grilled steak!
Clan 24350
18 Jan 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm an open book Sally. What you see is what you get and I'm on good terms with mirrors. I don't subject God to anything and ask the same in return. I certainly don't pretend that salvation awaits me despite my questionable earthly actions. I would suggest, however, that given my propensity for excess that I'm in a good position to judge the morality of things with the greatest degree of moral flexibility. Meaning that if I think something you've done is immoral then you've really f'ed up.
Christian ideals? what are those Christian ideals that need to be, in your own words, re-evaluated, or are you just another epicurean trying to subject God to your own vision of what is right and wrong, in fact, why dont we simply set up and effigy of you, after all, you seem to be suggesting that you are a greater exponent of morality now than God. I suspect just another room full of mirrors to be honest.
18 Jan 11
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateWould you like condiments with your leg sir?
I'm an open book Sally. What you see is what you get and I'm on good terms with mirrors. I don't subject God to anything and ask the same in return. I certainly don't pretend that salvation awaits me despite my questionable earthly actions. I would suggest, however, that given my propensity for excess that I'm in a good position to judge the moral ...[text shortened]... y. Meaning that if I think something you've done is immoral then you've really f'ed up.