15 Apr 17
Originally posted by divegeesterYou also didn't hear me mention 'initial population'.
[b]I didn't see you mention "bottleneck" and I'm not sure what that means in this context.
I did however provide a reference with 'population bottleneck' right there in the URL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
If there were more than the 10-30k of humans to mate with then how can the 10-30k be the lowest number?
I don't understand the question. It doesn't make sense.
15 Apr 17
Originally posted by divegeesterYou're making an assumption that's not backed by any evidence when you assert incest "must have" been prevalent. Humans evolved from a population of other organisms. How many "humans" were around from that first population that appeared 200,000 years ago? No one knows.
I get that, but you are missing the point of my post which is about how incest must have been prevelant in man's early evolution due to the restricted population. It didn't seem to have a deleterious effect on our progress under those circumstances and I'm sure that in the biblical model the situation was the same.
15 Apr 17
Originally posted by divegeesterOther humans.
Q. Where did the 10-30k minimal human population come from?
A. Other humans
Where did the "other humans" come from?
Its called 'descent'. People have babies, those babies grow up, have sex, have more babies, etc.
What exactly are you having trouble understanding about it?
15 Apr 17
Originally posted by vivifyTwhitehead knows.
You're making an assumption that's not backed by any evidence when you assert incest "must have" been prevalent. Humans evolved from a population of other organisms. How many "humans" were around from that first population that appeared 200,000 years ago? No one knows.
15 Apr 17
Originally posted by josephwScary stuff, knowing from that point on no matter what you do, your fate is now set and
To paraphrase Hebrews, once one has known the the truth and then turns away to believe a lie it is impossible for them to believe the truth again.
For your sake I'd like to think Christ isn't a reality, but then I'd be lying too.
Hell is where you are going.
15 Apr 17
Let's try again.
How many humans were there when the species first evolved?
You cited something from wiki saying 2,000 or 10-30k
I asked where did these come from.
You said from other humans?
I'm asking what other humans and why weren't they included in the 2,000 or the 10-30k humans which you said were the first populations.
Humans must have originated somewhere, there must have only been a few early homosapiens and the chances are there was incest.
15 Apr 17
Originally posted by vivifyI think everyone agrees with you that incest was a part of the human condition at the
You realize the bible outright says everything in the OP, right? Nothing I've said is made up.
So is God going to be pissed at biblical accuracy?
very beginning, but that later changed.
15 Apr 17
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Originally posted by vivifyYou are being charged by some in this thread of making assumptions yourself.
You're making an assumption that's not backed by any evidence when you assert incest "must have" been prevalent. Humans evolved from a population of other organisms. How many "humans" were around from that first population that appeared 200,000 years ago? No one knows.
What's wrong with incest in early human social groups, in your view?
Originally posted by apathistGod made Hell for the devil and his angels, when we joined him we became part of the
Your creator gods are all powerful and all knowing, right? So who made hell, and who made people, and who sends people to hell?
They don't sentence people to hell based on morality, instead they punish forever based on faith belief systems. How can you tell if your gods are evil?
problem with sin and evil.
Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
15 Apr 17
Originally posted by KellyJayDo you take everything you read in the Bible, and particularly the Book of the revelation of Jesus Christ, as being absolutely literal?
God made Hell for the devil and his angels, when we joined him we became part of the
problem with sin and evil.
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.