30 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeHow do you understand the temptation in the wilderness scenario?
Kirk: "All Christians should be asking who they most don't want to be like because that is their growing and maturing spiritual edge."
Kirk: " The point I was making is that most people operate out of making judgments about people without taking an inventory of who they project their shadows upon."
This is, from a christian point of view, 100% spi ...[text shortened]... son, His Life and His teachings because that is our "growing and maturing spiritual edge".
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by kirksey957The person who Christians should most want to be like is Christ.
And I gave a rebuttal/explanation. I am still rubbish to you and you won't admit the truth. I could quote John 3:16 and you would say it is rubbish if I posted it.
But they will always still sin, but they can mature to be like him.
And some day they will be like him when he comes back for them.
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by RBHILLSure it is. As an American, you're basically stuck with your life revolving around money. Money pays the bills, buys the TV sets you watch football games on, and buys RHP subscriptions for witnessing to the lost. Your local church demands a tithe (10% of your income) because the Kingdom of God runs on money, too. That nice church building you go to every sunday was bought and paid for by good ol' greenbacks.
Life is not about money.
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeThank you for asking me to elaborate (seriously). I find this to be another fascinating passage and will not go into any great depth at this point other than to say that the temptations presented to him where very human temptations. Thus, I find it intriguing that his temptations were a "conversation with his shadow."
Please elaborate. I am not a script writer.
Now I know this may be heresy to some, but I find to be an interpretation that stimulates meaningful dialogue.
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by kirksey957
Thank you for asking me to elaborate (seriously). I find this to be another fascinating passage and will not go into any great depth at this point other than to say that the temptations presented to him where very human temptations. Thus, I find it intriguing that his temptations were a "conversation with his shadow."
Now I know this may be heresy to some, but I find to be an interpretation that stimulates meaningful dialogue.
...... and how does this relate to your previous statements which I called spiritual rubbish ?
30 Apr 05
Mathew 23:
11 He that is the greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled: and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. 13 But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter. 14 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you devour the houses of widows, praying long prayers. For this you shall receive the greater judgment. 15 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves.
needs no explaination , does it?
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeThe intent of my earlier question to RB was simply to show that the people we don't like are peoiple who remind us of ourselves to some extent. So I was only suggesting that looking at ourselves and our own judgmentalism served us better than looking at what we don't like about others.
...... and how does this relate to your previous statements which I called spiritual rubbish ?
If the temptation in the wilderness passage is a conversation with Jesus' shadow, than he is willing to look at himself. That is how I see them relating.
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by frogstompWhat's your point?
Mathew 23:
11 He that is the greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled: and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. 13 But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffe ...[text shortened]... ake him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves.
needs no explaination , does it?
30 Apr 05
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Originally posted by kirksey957This is your original claim:
The intent of my earlier question to RB was simply to show that the people we don't like are peoiple who remind us of ourselves to some extent. So I was only suggesting that looking at ourselves and our own judgmentalism served us bett ...[text shortened]... e is willing to look at himself. That is how I see them relating.
"All Christians should be asking who they most don't want to be like because that is their growing and maturing spiritual edge. People who don't ask this question end up on TV ranting and raving at others and begging for money."
This what you are saying now after an interlude about Jesus in the wilderness, talking to His "shadow", as you put it:
Kirk: "The intent of my earlier question to RB was simply to show that the people we don't like are peoiple who remind us of ourselves to some extent. So I was only suggesting that looking at ourselves and our own judgmentalism served us better than looking at what we don't like about others."
If you mean by this obscuring avalange of words that the inner dialogue with yourself, the regular reflection on your deeds and thoughts by checking your conscience is very important, then we agree.
EDIT: If this is what you mean I would advise you to take a ride to the wilderness and talk to your "shadow" about the relevance, meaning and intentions you had when you asked the following intriguing question to RBHILL:
"Do you believe that baby Jesus was freed from crying?
I bet your "shadow" will come up with things like "humour and "sarcasm". Don't you think so ?
I'm also interested in what your conscience has to say about this .....
EDIT II: You're trying to make RBHILL look like a fool, but in doing so you are making yourself incredibly rediculous, Reverend.
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeI have no power to make him look ridiculous. I have no power to make you look ridiculous. I take complete responsibility for my inner fool.
This is your original claim:
"All Christians should be asking who they most don't want to be like because that is their growing and maturing spiritual edge. People who don't ask this question end up on TV ranting and raving at others and begging for money."
This what you are saying now with an interlude about Jesus in the wilderness, talking to Hi ...[text shortened]... ILL look like a fool, but in doing so you are making yourself incredibly rediculous, Reverend.
30 Apr 05
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Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk: "I have no power to make him look ridiculous."
I have no power to make him look ridiculous. I have no power to make you look ridiculous. I take complete responsibility for my inner fool.
Then why are you constantly trying to do just that, Reverend ?
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk: "I am encouraging him to examine his theology and thinking."
I am encouraging him to examine his theology and thinking. I can only hope someone will have the same investment in me.
You can do that in other more truthful and sincere ways, without trying to make him look ridiculous in front of the crowd whom you regard as your friends.
Kirk: "I can only hope someone will have the same investment in me."
Why don't you take a good look around ?