Jesus never preached against science

@josephw said
I do not.

Why not?

I mean you do understand that, as a Christian, you have no reason to disavow science, don't you?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Jesus preached against evolution (indirectly by his support of creationism) so it could be argued he preached against science.

Jesus said, “At the beginning the Creator made them male and female and said . . . the two shall become one flesh.” (Matthew 19:4-6)

Huh? There was no theory of evolution then.

So, you could argue it, but it's not a good argument.

@bigdogg said
Huh? There was no theory of evolution then.

So, you could argue it, but it's not a good argument.

Jesus transcends time. 😲

(And I did say indirectly).

@josephw said
I do not.

Then on what Biblical basis do you reject them?

@bigdogg said
Huh? There was no theory of evolution then.

For those Christians who believe Jesus is God, He would be omniscient in nature and would therefore be fully aware if humans evolved or were created in a garden. (Hence any reference to Adam and Eve in a literal sense would be speech in favour of creationism).

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Jesus transcends time. 😲

(And I did say indirectly).

I will not argue with anything which transcends time. I have no time for it.

But perhaps God is actually enticing us to go with science. After all, it sounds as if this world will go/end by a complete, and all out nuclear war, which will come from all those possessing such devilish, scientifically discovered, powerful weapons. The Russians do have a couple of types they named after Satan.

But really, God is actually pushing science on us, much the same way a motivational coach does. Challenging us, and urging us on, positively, "you can do it." The tiny winged goddess, Nike, is even more positive, and trademarked it as: "Just do it." What is God really telling mankind is nothing that cannot be done, if we put our minds to. Why! We could even move mountains, if we had enough faith in God, and enough TNT. What does God want from us, to do what? What else, but to be godlike, since we were made in his image. If God can do it, then so can we, together as one, over time, and on the shoulders of those who came before us. Using science we have built a tower of babel reaching the sky, and gone where no man had gone before, to the Moon, and beyond with our man-made machines, imitating God's natural creativity. And all by using one language, science. All the different sciences (different languages) which makes up one science, the science of science.

In the book of Job there are many such enticements by God, which were meant, I believe, as one of those confrontational challenges; "I dare you to know" directed at man.

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:
“Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
“Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?
“Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
“Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
“What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
“Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
“Can you bind the chains[b] of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s dominion over the earth?
“Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
Who gives the ibis wisdom
or gives the rooster understanding?
Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
“Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

@josephw said
Being a Christian isn't about the rejection of science, but instead is about belief in the one that created science.

The Bible is full of quotes where "faith" is valued over observation (the story of Doubting Thomas, "we walk by faith, not by sight", etc.). Observation forms the basis for science.

The first man was punished for eating fruit that gave him wisdom. Mankind was supposed to remain in ignorance but when his eyes were opened he was banished from the garden and punished with harsh toiling and painful childbirth.

The Bible anti-science.

@josephw said
]Not getting drawn into your endless questionings.

Dodge noted.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You don't think Jesus considered the Adam and Eve thing as a literal account of creation?

I'm certain Jesus knew and understood the scriptures, and he being God, knows exactly what they mean.

@suzianne said
Why not?

I mean you do understand that, as a Christian, you have no reason to disavow science, don't you?

Disavow?

I understand that if science contradicts the scriptures, then that science is false.

The scriptures teach that God created all that exists in 6 literal days. It appears you believe that it isn't possible for God to do that. It's your choice what club you want to join.

Did you know that?

@divegeester said
Then on what Biblical basis do you reject them?

On the basis of God's word.

Do we really need to debate this again?

@pettytalk said
I will not argue with anything which transcends time. I have no time for it.

But perhaps God is actually enticing us to go with science. After all, it sounds as if this world will go/end by a complete, and all out nuclear war, which will come from all those possessing such devilish, scientifically discovered, powerful weapons. The Russians do have a couple of types they ...[text shortened]... ovides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

Remind me not to debate with you over interpretation. 😏

@josephw said
On the basis of God's word.

Do we really need to debate this again?

By “God’s word” do mean that he has spoken to you directly? Or that you are taking a few bits of text from a book which is a collection of ancient writings and which another person has claimed is the innerant actual words of god?

@josephw said
Disavow?

I understand that if science contradicts the scriptures, then that science is false.

The scriptures teach that God created all that exists in 6 literal days. It appears you believe that it isn't possible for God to do that. It's your choice what club you want to join.

Did you know that?

But on the first and possibly the second, the period of time we currently refer to as a “day” a 24 hour period marked by the spinning of the earth… a day like that didn’t yet exist.

@pettytalk said
I will not argue with anything which transcends time. I have no time for it.

But perhaps God is actually enticing us to go with science. After all, it sounds as if this world will go/end by a complete, and all out nuclear war, which will come from all those possessing such devilish, scientifically discovered, powerful weapons. The Russians do have a couple of types they ...[text shortened]... ovides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

I will not argue with anything which transcends time. I have no time for it.

Does that mean that, if you imagine there is something that transcends time, you refuse to question whether the thing you imagine is real?