Jews and atheism

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
but that still doesn't account for the disproportionate amount of chess world champions
who were Jewish, many chess players are very studious.

I think it is probably due to culture. To be great at chess the best is to start young, not have many friends, and have a lot of support from your parents (especially your father). You also need a certain amount of parental discipline.
Its similar to how students of Asian descent in the US do better academically (and in certain subjects like music) than their counterparts. I suspect that if Chess was big in Asia, they would dominate the sport. However they have their own board games (Chinese chess, go etc.)

Originally posted by kevcvs57
Usual irrelevant BS from you then Robbie.

ahh the now obligatory ad hominem, try making reference to the content rather than the man.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I think it is probably due to culture. To be great at chess the best is to start young, not have many friends, and have a lot of support from your parents (especially your father). You also need a certain amount of parental discipline.
Its similar to how students of Asian descent in the US do better academically (and in certain subjects like music) than ...[text shortened]... they would dominate the sport. However they have their own board games (Chinese chess, go etc.)

I dunno, Lasker was German as was Steintz, Fischer had no father figure, neither did
Kasparov, Tal was Lithuanian, Smylov and Botvinik , Russian

Originally posted by vistesd
And extending that through endless bifurcating trees of “what if…” through oral engagement.

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Western thought works by thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

Judaism goes thesis, antithesis, antithesis, antithesis....


—the Rabbi in Joann Sfar’s The Rabbi’s Cat.

H.G. Wells, himself a chessplayer, mentions the eminence of the Jewish race in chess,
in his History of the World. He appears to attribute it entirely to an innate sense of
values – a capacity for judging between relative gains and losses with the utmost
subtlety.


http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jews.html

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
H.G. Wells, himself a chessplayer, mentions the eminence of the Jewish race in chess,
in his History of the World. He appears to attribute it entirely to an innate sense of
values – a capacity for judging between relative gains and losses with the utmost
subtlety.


http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jews.html

Just out of curiosity, I looked for a flag of Israel icon in the top few pages of the RHP player tables. I gave up. Does RHP have a presence there?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
H.G. Wells, himself a chessplayer, mentions the eminence of the Jewish race in chess,
in his History of the World. He appears to attribute it entirely to an innate sense of
values – a capacity for judging between relative gains and losses with the utmost
subtlety.


http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jews.html

Well, I don't have any theory--I was just offering a kind of humorous follow-on to ATY's post...

BTW, haven't been able to see the "Marley" documentary yet, but my wfie surprised me with the soundtrack. There's a lovely "dub" (instrumental only) version of "Exodus" on it, and some other live versions of songs for which I had only heard the studio versions (I do have the DVD of the Live at the Rainbow performance, and the soundtrack has that version of "No Woman No Cry" ). Thought of you when I was listening and boogieing along...

Originally posted by vistesd
Well, I don't have any theory--I was just offering a kind of humorous follow-on to ATY's post...

BTW, haven't been able to see the "Marley" documentary yet, but my wfie surprised me with the soundtrack. There's a lovely "dub" (instrumental only) version of "Exodus" on it, and some other live versions of songs for which I had only heard the studio version ...[text shortened]... n of "No Woman No Cry" ). Thought of you when I was listening and boogieing along...

It is rather an interesting phenomena though,

yeah brought up on Marley, my brothers also liked him and interestingly my kid who
was suffering some traumatic dreams fairly recently got great solace and comfort after
listening to three little birds, 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ahh the now obligatory ad hominem, try making reference to the content rather than the man.

If their was some content I would have addressed it, there was no ad hominem, I was attacking your debating tactic of refusing to address the posters actual comments, rather you attempt to deflect the issue by discussing videos and non existent fallacies, not attacking you per se.

If you have evidence that your god exists then present it or admit that it is derived from the sources mentioned in my post.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
If their was some content I would have addressed it, there was no ad hominem, I was attacking your debating tactic of refusing to address the posters actual comments, rather you attempt to deflect the issue by discussing videos and non existent fallacies, not attacking you per se.

If you have evidence that your god exists then present it or admit that it is derived from the sources mentioned in my post.

again there is nothing here for me to see, i made no deflection, but made direct
reference to the videos content, something you have so far failed to do, oh well, I
guess its the standard we have come to expect.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It is rather an interesting phenomena though,

yeah brought up on Marley, my brothers also liked him and interestingly my kid who
was suffering some traumatic dreams fairly recently got great solace and comfort after
listening to three little birds, 🙂

It’s those Ital riddims—make everyt’ing Irie! 😵

Originally posted by vistesd
Personally, I have a combination of views:

1. I am a strong atheist with regard to theistic concepts that are incoherent or lead to logical contradictions.

2. I am a weak atheist otherwise.

3. I am a nondualist, and historically nondualists (e.g., the Stoics) have used the word theos in alternative ways going back millennia (also, say, the ...[text shortened]... ally find on here) do not necessarily have intellectual primacy—they are just more conventional.

Me too; I call myself an agnostic and am reliably informed that this is tantamount to being a weak atheist which I do not have a problem with whilst retaining the right to call myself an agnostic.

My issue with theists is that they claim that god exists and they are privvy to what he/she wants us to do/not do.

As for the dualism issue I am in two minds.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think a more interesting question is why have so many chess world champions been
Jewish, the number is quite disproportionate i think.

Bobby Fischer was born of Jewish parents but He never had
anything to do with synagogues or the Jewish religion. He
became an apostate Jew by adopting Christianity and was
strongly against the Jews.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
again there is nothing here for me to see, i made no deflection, but made direct
reference to the videos content, something you have so far failed to do, oh well, I
guess its the standard we have come to expect.

Go back and read the thread title I made no mention of any video I commented on the lies you were spoutimg about atheists.

If only we could expect some standards from yourself.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Bobby Fischer was born of Jewish parents but He never had
anything to do with synagogues or the Jewish religion. He
became an apostate Jew by adopting Christianity and was
strongly against the Jews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_11Cdxvtfo

yes but his Jewishness comes though his ethnicity, not through his religious beliefs, his
mother was Jewish and possibly his father.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
Go back and read the thread title I made no mention of any video I commented on the lies you were spoutimg about atheists.

If only we could expect some standards from yourself.

no, I dont need to, i have provided reasons, you are now introducing another ad
hominem, that I am a liar. I can find many references where gogglefudge has called a
belief in a deity, irrational and immoral and i have provided a reason why I think that
atheists oppose belief in God, this does not make a me a liar. Is this really the best you
can do?