My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
According to Jesus, God has given people to Jesus. These people have eternal life. No one can take away the eternal life of those given to Jesus by God.
Does no one include that person him or herself? Is Jesus correct in his assertion that God is making the call?
26 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarIs the Biblical truth about Jesus that I bring up in this thread ugly too?
[b]My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
According to Jesus, God has given people to Je ...[text shortened]... lude that person him or herself? Is Jesus correct in his assertion that God is making the call?[/b]
27 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarNone of us will go to God on our own, none of will go to Jesus on our own except the
[b]My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
According to Jesus, God has given people to Je ...[text shortened]... lude that person him or herself? Is Jesus correct in his assertion that God is making the call?[/b]
Father draws us. It to God's glory we are able to hear Him, to be able go to Him, to be
able to receive His Holy Spirit there will be no human glorying in this! We are saved by
God's grace through faith, IT IS A GIFT of God. This is why when God is putting a call on
our hearts we are told to NOT harden our hearts.
Hebrews 3:14-16English Standard Version (ESV)
14 For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. 15 As it is said,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
16 For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses?
John 6:43-45English Standard Version (ESV)
43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me—
Romans 8:9
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
27 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayDude, you really do cast a blind eye.
None of us will go to God on our own, none of will go to Jesus on our own except the
Father draws us. It to God's glory we are able to hear Him, to be able go to Him, to be
able to receive His Holy Spirit there will be no human glorying in this! We are saved by
God's grace through faith, IT IS A GIFT of God. This is why when God is putting a call on
ou ...[text shortened]... irit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
No one can take one of the elect out of God's hand. The elect are made to have eternal life.
27 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayMy sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
Why do you say that, did you see me say that was going to happen?
I will ask it better and maybe you will answer it.
Do Jesus' sheep have the free will to reject Jesus? Of course I am asking in the context of this scripture.
27 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarROFL, of course they do...but why would they? LOL, you are really don't want to take
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
I will ask it better and maybe you will answer it.
Do Jesus' sheep have the free will to reject Jesus? Of course I am asking in the context of this scripture.
ownership of any action!
27 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarMy prayer for you and everyone else is you draw so close to the Lord that you grasp how good and merciful He is, that you get an understanding of how much you are loved!
According to Jesus no one can take them out of God's hand. If they must have eternal life, how could they have free will?
27 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarSo you think that God not letting anyone take them from Him is the same thing as saying that they have no free will? If I stop people from taking away my kids by force, means to you my kids don't have free will? You really don't understand stand this topic.
So once they are saved they no longer have free will.
Remember Jesus says these people can't be taken from God's hand. Can't means impossible.
Originally posted by @kellyjayIf God does not allow it, how could there be free will?
So you think that God not letting anyone take them from Him is the same thing as saying that they have no free will? If I stop people from taking away my kids by force, means to you my kids don't have free will? You really don't understand stand this topic.
If you do not allow your kids to leave your house, even at the age of 30, you have taken away their free will.