John 10, the elect

Originally posted by @eladar
Sorry, that isn't me. As of late I've been attending a Baptist church. The preacher rhere doesn't agree with me at all on the topic.

Originally posted by @suzianne
Not surprising, the Baptists aren't Calvinists.

Originally posted by @eladar
[b]My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”


According to Jesus, God has given people to Je ...[text shortened]... lude that person him or herself? Is Jesus correct in his assertion that God is making the call?[/b]

Originally posted by @sonship
How has [b]John 10:29,30 been an aid to your own spiritual growth as a Christian believer ?[/b]

Originally posted by @eladar
By recognizing the teachings of the children of Satan who claim to know God.

By recognizing the teachings of the children of Satan who claim to know God.

Originally posted by @sonship

By recognizing the teachings of the children of Satan who claim to know God.

Is this like recognizing counterfeit money has made you richer ?

Has knowing about these teachings made you more a consecrated believer with more of your life under Christ's Lordship ?

Or do you just feel better about knowing that there are false teachers out there ?

Has your sense of being one of the elect been strengthened ?

Has assurance been made stronger in trials by knowing about John 10:29,30 ?
Would you be more waverning in temptation if you did not know about the sheep in Christ and His Father's hand ?

That would make sense to me.

Or are you edified by knowing that some are just not in the hand of Christ and His Father ?

Originally posted by @sonship
Is your sense of being one of the elect been strengthened ?

Has assurance been made stronger in trials by knowing about [b]John 10:29,30 ?
Would you be more waverning in temptation if you did not know about the sheep in Christ and His Father's hand ?

That would make sense to me.[/b]

Originally posted by @eladar
Of course not. I am not arrogant enough to declare my own salvation.

People who do that kind of stuff put their opinion on level with God.

Of course not. I am not arrogant enough to declare my own salvation.

People who do that kind of stuff put their opinion on level with God.

" For by grace you have been saved through faith, ..." (Eph 2:8a)

" ... you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; Not of works that no one should boast." (vs. 8b,9)

Originally posted by @sonship

Of course not. I am not arrogant enough to declare my own salvation.

People who do that kind of stuff put their opinion on level with God.

The [b]New Testament tells me this -

" For by grace you have been saved through faith, ..." (Eph 2:8a)

Now if I say "Amen, I by grace have been saved thr ...[text shortened]... f, it is the gift of God. I can't boast of anything. I am saved"

Is this my being arrogant ?[/b]

Originally posted by @eladar

Was he writing that letter to you?

Just because God forgives your sins by grace it doesn't mean they can't reinstated. According to Jesus they can.

Originally posted by @sonship

[b]Was he writing that letter to you?

Yes.

Just because God forgives your sins by grace it doesn't mean they can't reinstated. According to Jesus they can.

Wherever you think that you have been told that in the New Testament, how do you know that was written to you ?

So you seem t ...[text shortened]... theology are written to me but things which do not support your theology are not written to me ?[/b]

Concering the book of Ephesians -

Was he writing that letter to you?

" All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

That the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16,17)

Originally posted by @sonship
Concering the book of [b]Ephesians -

Was he writing that letter to you?

It is Scripture. All Scripture is God breathed and profitable to the man of God, Right?

[quote] " All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

That the man of God may ...[text shortened]... truction in righteousness, equipping, completion?

Why isn't [b]Ephesians written for me?[/b]

Originally posted by @eladar
The letters of the NT were written to those who know God, not to liberals who pervert God's word.

" All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

That the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16,17)