@sonship saidAnd yet you don’t once, not even once, take it up with KellyJay who has claimed “it’s all literal, not metaphors”
@divegeester
As I read through this wonderful chapter I am not sure what you think you are proving by pointing out obvious symbolism.
Why is that?
@divegeester saidYou and ThinkofOne
Yes.
What is it you think I’ve been telling you for last few years 🙄
@kellyjay saidActually ThinkOfOne has been telling you that you are at fault for thinking that you do NOT pick and choose which parts you do and don't take literally, pick and choose passages to ignore and/or alter, impress your own preconceived biases and beliefs onto your "literal" interpretation, etc.
You and ThinkofOne
Even worse, you are at fault for reveling in your dishonesty / delusion.
@thinkofone saidI take the whole Bible as the Word of God, while both of you pick and choose which parts you like and dislike so you reject them.
Actually ThinkOfOne has been telling you that you are at fault for thinking that you do NOT pick and choose which parts you do and don't take literally, pick and choose passages to ignore and/or alter, impress your own preconceived biases and beliefs onto your "literal" interpretation, etc.
Even worse, you are at fault for reveling in your dishonesty / delusion.
@divegeester saidProbably because pissing on other Christians is YOUR schtick.
And yet you don’t once, not even once, take it up with KellyJay who has claimed “it’s all literal, not metaphors”
Why is that?
@kellyjay saidIncorrect.
I take the whole Bible as the Word of God, while both of you pick and choose which parts you like and dislike so you reject them.
The main difference between you and I, is our level of intellectual honesty.
You pretend that everything in Revelation 19 is literal, all of it. You do this so you can also hold to a literal hell.
You have subsequently admitted that some stuff in the wider book of Revelation is metaphor but decline to say which bits, or importantly, why they are metaphor and the odd stuff in Chapter 19 isn’t.
You do this so you can hold onto you doctrine of eternal torture.
You are intellectually dishonest and trapped in your dogmas of death.
26 Oct 18
@suzianne saidWell I address topics forthrightly and with honestly, if that’s what you mean.
Probably because pissing on other Christians is YOUR schtick.
I don’t make up stories about myself to make my online persona appear more interesting, I don’t dodge on topic questions, I don’t hang onto revolting doctrines of death which sleight the character of our Lord and I don’t spam the forum with dumps of furball text to cover up the fact that I’m not answering a direct question.
26 Oct 18
@divegeester saidNo, your whole argument is that you don't trust scripture, even if within the Bible
Is this back-handed ad hominem the best you can come up with in response to my direct and honest answer to your question?
when you see a metaphor it is there for cause to impart some truth. You use this
as a reason to ignore the text. It isn't back handed, I am telling you plainly this is
all there is to you and ThinkOfOne, both of you seem to acknowledge the Word of
God is in the Bible, but you both don't acknowledge the Bible is the Word of
God as a whole. You get allies with those that don't believe it at all, so this is the
crowd you belong to, the did God really say crowd. You get honest answers from
me and others, it doesn't mean you accept them, normally they are turned into
some reason for name calling or something else.
@divegeester saidYea, yea...intellectual honesty. Pardon me while I yawn.
Incorrect.
The main difference between you and I, is our level of intellectual honesty.
You pretend that everything in Revelation 19 is literal, all of it. You do this so you can also hold to a literal hell.
You have subsequently admitted that some stuff in the wider book of Revelation is metaphor but decline to say which bits, or importantly, why they are met ...[text shortened]... ctrine of eternal torture.
You are intellectually dishonest and trapped in your dogmas of death.
26 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidHonest answers from you...? Ok let's have a go then...
You get honest answers fromme and others, it doesn't mean you accept them, normally they are turned intosome reason for name calling or something else.
You astonishingly claim that Revelation 19 is "all literal, not metaphors", but posthumously acknowledge that some of Revelation is symbolic while also simultaneously maintaining that you take the bible as it is written.
So stop hiding and come out and tell us which bits are symbolic, which bits are literal and how you distinguish between the two.
Lets see the "honest answers" then KellyJay...
@divegeester saidI don’t care if you trust me you are welcome to your opinion. It is the scripture that matters not me, you speak against scripture that is an issue that will and does matter. We can disagree all day long in the long run who cares, rejecting the Word that is very proublematic for all who do that.
Actually my recent position is that I don't trust you KellyJay
@divegeester saidTake it all as truth even the symbolism and metaphors, they are there for reasons, not to give the so called intellectually honest a reason to reject the Word!!
Honest answers from you...? Ok let's have a go then...
You astonishingly claim that Revelation 19 is "all literal, not metaphors", but posthumously acknowledge that some of Revelation is symbolic while also simultaneously maintaining that you take the bible as it is written.
So stop hiding and come out and tell us which bits are symbolic, which bits are literal and how you distinguish between the two.
Lets see the "honest answers" then KellyJay...