John 14:2. Literal?

@karoly-aczel said
nobody understands it



nobody is like me

You need the Spirit of the One who inspired it within you.

1 Corinthians 2:13
And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

John 16:13
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

@divegeester said
KellyJay you really need to consider the impact that your prevarication has on your profile here.

The topic, as you well know, is about literalism vs symbolism, not about truth. You cannot hide behind “truth” claims.

For example the truth behind the metaphor of the lake of fire exists even though it is a metaphor and not a real lake of fire. Same with the seed in ...[text shortened]... hat is what I’m saying.

Pretending you don’t understand is just repellent to be honest with you.

The text, the meaning behind why it was said is the truth of it. You bounce
between the two positions as if the truth of the text is dismissible, because you
think possibly it may not mean exactly what it really says, even as you admit its
truth!

If someone gets insight into the spiritual world and see things that are not
what we call normal, it must not be real why? If it doesn’t register with the natural
world we are all used to, you think it therefore cannot be real? Have you seen into
the spiritual world of the heavenly host to know what is true or not there?

@kellyjay said
If you recall I said John was seeing things in the spirit, who knows what is on the
other side. I've never seen the throne of God in heaven, but I believe its real, do you?

You believe there is actually a "throne" ~ a piece of furniture, like a large chair ~ upon which the creator-being that you believe in literally sits?

@fmf said
You believe there is actually a "throne" ~ a piece of furniture, like a large chair ~ upon which the creator-being that you believe in literally sits?

What do you care, you reject it all out of hand?

@kellyjay said
What do you care, you reject it all out of hand?

The discussion is about literalism and metaphors. Do you believe there is actually a kind of chair that we call a "throne" upon which the creator-being sits ~ or is "throne" a metaphor for sovereignty or power or something similar?

@fmf said
The discussion is about literalism and metaphors. Do you believe there is actually a kind of chair that we call a "throne" upon which the creator-being sits ~ or is "throne" a metaphor for sovereignty or power or something similar?

A throne.

@kellyjay said
A throne.

So your creator-being literally has legs and buttocks that need or want to sit on a piece of furniture? Are you sure? Are you sure that the "throne" in that verse is not, in fact, a symbol or metaphor used by the writers to allude to the trappings of human power so as to make the notions in play understandable to readers?

@divegeester said
Well I address topics forthrightly and with honestly, if that’s what you mean.

I don’t make up stories about myself to make my online persona appear more interesting, I don’t dodge on topic questions, I don’t hang onto revolting doctrines of death which sleight the character of our Lord and I don’t spam the forum with dumps of furball text to cover up the fact that I’m not answering a direct question.

No, you just make every topic about you with your constant "stop deflecting and answer the question", no matter how many times it's been answered.

Add to this you swinging every topic back to your pet topic of "eternal toment", and yet somehow this is you not making up stories about yourself.

And for the record, Joe McCarthy, I have never made up stories about myself. The reason people like you don't talk about themselves is because you are simply boring AF. So much so, that to make your own "excitement" you come here to attack Christians.

God, sometimes I wish my life was as boring as yours.

@fmf said
From what I've been witnessing, you have been "pissing on other Christians" here for almost 15 years. Is the nature of your conflict with those "other Christians" different from the the conflict divegeester has had with "other Christians" during debates on this message board?

Do you really feel so much better after telling lies like these?

@divegeester said
You’re just being dishonst; a metaphor can be as is as true as a literalism.

Your dodging is truly pathetic

And yet we've never heard you telling FMF that, ever.

@divegeester said
I have never said that not even once to anyone. You are making it up. You are lying

You are a weedy dishonest Christian. I despise your pathetic lack of honesty in this matter and I disassociate myself from you as a Christian.

Actually, this has been your MO for years.

@karoly-aczel said
But you dont understand the whole bible. I doubt anyone here does.

Especially you.

@suzianne said
Do you really feel so much better after telling lies like these?

There is no lie. I could easily list several of your fellow Christians that you have been "pissing" on here - as you put it - for well over a decade.

@fmf said
The discussion is about literalism and metaphors. Do you believe there is actually a kind of chair that we call a "throne" upon which the creator-being sits ~ or is "throne" a metaphor for sovereignty or power or something similar?

Answer his question.

@suzianne said
Answer his question.

I did. I answered it upfront. I said the discussion is about literalism and metaphors. I am clearly interested in this discussion.