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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYea, yea. The 3rd declension of the subjunctive, boy! That'll save you!
oh we shall get to the different usages of the Greek term, you can bet your bottom dollar on that. Strong was a trinitarian, like you, but that doesn't matter, we shall reason on the sacred text irrespective of his bias. I have also exposed your rendering of Hebrews 1:8 which you also use to perpetuate your Greek mythology and i would just like to take this opportunity by thanking you for bringing the verse to my attention.
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Originally posted by sonshipsave me from what? I have not attempted to impose an extra biblical doctrine on scripture, but never the less, i know you believe in me, ill not let you down, dont stress, it will be ok.
Yea, yea. The 3rd declension of the subjunctive, boy! That'll save you!
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
save me from what? I have not attempted to impose an extra biblical doctrine on scripture, but never the less, i know you believe in me, ill not let you down, dont stress, it will be ok.
save me from what?From making a fool out of yourself here.
Yes you have. Michael the archangel is the Redeemer and Son of God.
I have not attempted to impose an extra biblical doctrine on scripture,
Extra biblical and a doctrine of demons, I would say.
I know you are witty but it is not about belief in you. As long as you teach that Michael the angel is my Redeemer, Lord and Savior, the Son of God, I have no confidence in you.
but never the less, i know you believe in me, ill not let you down, dont stress, it will be ok.
You are preaching "another Jesus".
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Originally posted by sonshipdude, i know you believe in me, have a little faith, i will come through for you, its gonna be ok, robbies on the case, everything is good under da hood!save me from what?From making a fool out of yourself here.
Yes you have. Michael the archangel is the Redeemer and Son of God.
I have not attempted to impose an extra biblical doctrine on scripture,
Extra biblical and a doctrine of demons, I would say.
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but never the less, i know you believe in me, ill no ...[text shortened]... or, the Son of God, I have no confidence in you.
You are preaching [b]"another Jesus".[/b]
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If it were a game, I might be amused. I am trying though to save you (or those deceived by your "another Jesus" of Michael the angel ) from the lake of fire.
If it were a light hearted game maybe I'd chuckle. Unfortunately it is more serious than that.
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Originally posted by sonshipI have every faith that truth has a potency all of its own and that anyone can see religious bias wherever it is present based on reason, would you have me become an evangelical clone, no ministry, someone who worships the creation rather than the creator? adopts a pagan teaching and then must ignore a plethora of Biblical verses in order to accept it, I dont think so, Christ is a mighty spirit creature for sure, the King of Gods Kingdom, God almighty he is not and never claimed to be.
If it were a game, I might be amused. I am trying though to save you (or those deceived by your [b] "another Jesus" of Michael the angel ) from the lake of fire.
If it were a light hearted game maybe I'd chuckle. Unfortunately it is more serious than that.[/b]
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I have every faith that truth has a potency all of its own and that anyone can see religious bias wherever it is present, would you have me become an evangelical clone, no ministry,
It is false that I wish you no ministry. I would that you had powerful ministry, but of the truth.
Quite the opposite is my desire than you be made impotent with no ministry. Whatever gave you that idea ?
Incidently, the local churches in which I meet do not have clergy / laity hierarchy. All members are encouraged to function to the maximum as we believe in the priesthood of the believer and insist upon it.
http://an-open-letter.org/
Minister Christ. First receive Him. Then live Him and minister Him.
The Lord said "You shall be My witnesses ..." . See Acts 1.
someone who worships the creation rather than the creator?
The Word Who was with God and was God, became flesh.
Maybe you should stop imagining worship as only bowing and prostrating and think of worship to drink the living water and live by Christ.
Compare:
Jeremiah 2:13 - "For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters, to hew out for themselves cisterns, broken cisterns which hold no water."
John 7:3 - "Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes into Me; as the Scripture said, out of his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed into Him were about to receive, for the Spirit was not yet, because Jesus had not yet been glorified."
Our worship is to drink the living water of the Spirit of God. And Jesus said come unto Him and drink.
Jesus said He would give the living water (John 4:10)
"Jesus answered and said to her, Everyone who drinks of this water shall thirst again.
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall by no means thirst forever; but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water gushing up into eternal life." (v.13,14)
Your concept about worship may be skewed. The true worship in spirit and truth in John 4 is to drink the living water of the Holy Spirit. We view worship as taking God into our being that He may flow and flow and quench our thirst.
adopts a pagan teaching and then must ignore a plethora of Biblical verses in order to accept it, I dont think so, Christ is a mighty spirit creature for sure, the King of Gods Kingdom, God almighty he is not and never claimed to be.
You miss God's desire to dispense Himself into you. You miss God's actions to impart God Himself into you.
You do not understand the Triune God in His operation to channel all that He is into man's being. You are caught up in an objective God as an external object of worship up there, far away, outside of you.
Christ wants to be our life. To receive God in Christ is the will of God.
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Originally posted by sonshipdude please, I'm good.I have every faith that truth has a potency all of its own and that anyone can see religious bias wherever it is present, would you have me become an evangelical clone, no ministry,
It is false that I wish you no ministry. I would that you had powerful ministry, but of the truth.
Quite the opposite is my desire than you be made impote ...[text shortened]... of you.
Christ wants to be our life. To receive God in Christ is the will of God.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieOkay. I do not want to seem as to trying to force you. But I write to persuade you.
dude please, I'm good.
God is Triune in order to dispense Himself into man.
Succinctly it is put by Jesus this way in John 16 -
"He [the Holy Spirit] will glorify Me, for He will receive of Mine and will declare it to you.
All that the Father has is Mine; for this reason I have said that He receives of Mine and will declare it to you." (John 16:14,15)
Here the Father and Son and Spirit are all involved. All that the Father has is the Son's. And the Spirit will receive all this and declare it to the disciples. This declare is to inwardly declare, to impart, to dispense.
Here is the operation of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit. The Triune God operates to dispense the divine riches of God into man.
You know a lot about the outward kingdom. They never told you about God dispensing Himself into man that all that the Father has which is embodied in the Son may be dispensed into the believers.
You do not see God imparting God into man for His eternal purpose.
They only taught you about a happy planet with a kingdom like the garden of Eden. They taught you to demote Christ and think of the Son of God only as an angel in direct deference of Hebrews chapter 1.
God wants to flow into our beings through Christ as the living water of Himself as Spirit.
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Originally posted by sonshipGod is Triune in order to dispense Himself into man,
Okay. I do not want to seem as to trying to force you. But I write to persuade you.
God is Triune in order to dispense Himself into man.
Succinctly it is put by Jesus this way in John 16 -
[b]"He [the Holy Spirit] will glorify Me, for He will receive of Mine and will declare it to you.
All that the Father has is Mine; for this reason I have
God wants to flow into our beings through Christ as the living water of Himself as Spirit.
LOL, thats funny and I thought I was the jester.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt is right there in John 16:14,15 which I just quoted you.
God is Triune in order to dispense Himself into man,
LOL, thats funny and I thought I was the jester.
All you ever learned was about a government on a happy earth like the garden of Eden with an Old Testament Jehovah reigning. And some stuff about the elevation of Michael the angel.
You got cheated badly.
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Originally posted by sonshiphardly, the scriptures indicate that everlasting life is gained by taking in knowledge of Christ and the one who sent him forth, his God and his father Jehovah - John 17:3
It is right there in [b]John 16:14,15 which I just quoted you.
All you ever learned was about a government on a happy earth like the garden of Eden with an Old Testament Jehovah reigning. And some stuff about the elevation of Michael the angel.
You got cheated badly.[/b]
As for your quotation, it doesn't seem to make sense in English never mind Greek, shall we prod around to see what it really is saying?
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hardly, the scriptures indicate that everlasting life is gained by taking in knowledge of Christ and the one who sent him forth, his God and his father Jehovah - John 17:3
Rather eternal life is Christ Himself - "I am ... the life" (John 14:6)
And eternal life is received by taking in Christ HIMSELF.
The Father comes in and with the Son to make an abode with the lovers of Christ.
" ... If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
You could not bring yourself to say that Christ dwells in you. You qualified it and hedged, saying, you seek to live in union with Christ.
The Father and the Son come to make an abode with the lover of Jesus. That is to receive God Himself. And God Himself is the eternal life.
"In Him was life, and the life was the light of men" (John 1:4)
Life is in Christ because Christ IS the life.
And He [Christ the last Adam] " became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)
The Spirit is also called "the Spirit of life" (Romans 8:2).
That is not simply the Spirit as a force or the Spirit as a power.
That is "the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus".
The Triune God is the eternal life.
The unbeliever is "alienated from the life of God" (Eph. 4:18)
All you learned was about the restoral of the Eden like planet with the Old Testament Jehovah up there, out there, objective and outside of man, with His government.
And because you resist God imparting Himself into man as divine ZOE life, the eternal life, you had to make Christ the angel Michael.
You got cheated and you are cheating others.
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Originally posted by sonshipthe scripture at John 17:3 does not say, 'eternal life is Christ Himself', what it actually does say is,hardly, the scriptures indicate that everlasting life is gained by taking in knowledge of Christ and the one who sent him forth, his God and his father Jehovah - John 17:3
Rather eternal life is Christ Himself - [b]"I am ... the life" (John 14:6)
And eternal life is received by taking in Christ HIMSELF.
The Father comes in to make Christ the angel Michael.
You got cheated and you are cheating others.[/b]
'this means everlasting life their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God and the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ', from memory.
I suspect its hard for you not to try to impose your paganism on scripture where none exists in the text as the above example demonstrates, after all, you are only following the pattern that has been set by you.