Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm blaming the brothers for failure to follow the moral course of action. Legally, they maybe within their rights so as to not report over 1000 allegations of sexual abuse to the civil authorities. As I understand from what I have read in the report investigations are under way to see if anybody within the JW leadership can be criminally charged. Because quite frankly any decent human being can see this is a catastrophic failing on the part of 1800+ children. Of you read the report, which you won't, the JW leadership was more concerned with the image and reputation of the organisation than reporting child sex offenders to the authorities.
a mere technicality? so effectively you are blaming a flaw in the system on the brothers, thats what it amounts to, the fact of the matter is that if mandatory reporting had been law then the brothers would have reported these incidents to the authorities and let them deal with any criminality, is that or is that not the case?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieFirst off, you're a fundamentalist Christian and I'm an atheist. We're not going to have any common ground in a ' Spurituailty forum', it stands to reason we're going to disagree on pretty much everything.
No he is totally biased, he has never once supported any point or issue that i have raised, no not once. He threw a flaky and canceled two games of chess we were playing because of a debate we were having, insisting that he should not play such a 'bell end' - his words and actions. My statements therefore stands. He needs to detach himself emotionally from the issues that are being discussed, its not that difficult.
You were trolling in a thread about rape. Deliberately trying to wind people up, calling people names, much like you're doing in this thread. I sat there on my couch, looked over at my pregnant girlfriend, and though to myself 'why am I sat here using my leisure time to play a game of chess with some who is acting like such a bellend?'. So I reigned both games. There was no emotional out burst, no fit of rage, just a resignation of two games of chess and on my day I went. It was that simple.
Originally posted by Proper KnobWell of course you have a right to be morally indignant but I am well known for reserving any moral judgment until i know as far as is possible any particular details of individual cases. If there is no criminality then there can be no charges. The brothers are not police or law enforcement agencies and its simply unfair and unreasonable to expect them to be so and I reject your emotive outburst on that basis. The fact of the matter is and its worth reiterating if the law as it stood compelled through mandatory reporting then the matters would have been reported for Jehovahs Witnesses are well known for obeying secular laws and the authorities could deal with any criminality, the perpetrators punished and the victims counseled.
I'm blaming the brothers for failure to follow the moral course of action. Legally, they maybe within their rights so as to not report over 1000 allegations of sexual abuse to the civil authorities. As I understand from what I have read in the report investigations are under way to see if anybody within the JW leadership can be criminally charged. Becaus ...[text shortened]... image and reputation of the organisation than reporting child sex offenders to the authorities.
Originally posted by Proper KnobYou are going to be a father, congratulations! your life will never be the same again. Meh I was glad of the two points, but i still think we should detach ourselves emotionally from debate otherwise it will drive us crazy.
First off, you're a fundamentalist Christian and I'm an atheist. We're not going to have any common ground in a ' Spurituailty forum', it stands to reason we're going to disagree on pretty much everything.
You were trolling in a thread about rape. Deliberately trying to wind people up, calling people names, much like you're doing in this thread. I sa ...[text shortened]... fit of rage, just a resignation of two games of chess and on my day I went. It was that simple.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou're really too much RC.
dude you have just been caught with your pants smoldering on the forum floor and now you seek to cover the fact up with more vile insinuations, man you never learn. Call me anything you like but truth has a potency all of its own. You will learn that.
Anyone familiar with your posting history and / or has followed our discussion knows full well that you're the one that's "been caught with your pants smoldering on the forum floor and now...seek to cover the fact up with more vile insinuations".
Like I posted earlier:
Anyone who has posted on this forum for any length of time, knows of your long history of lying. It's been well proven and documented by myself as well as quite a few others over the years. There's really not much point in denying it.
Why do you insist on continuing to be such a pathetic character?
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Originally posted by divegeesterThe majority of sexual abuse happens in the home; by family members.
Many big Christians religions seems to be guilty of sexual abuse against children but it seems that increasingly the Jehovah's Witness Organisation remains defiant over its internal policies on reporting allegations to the police. Surely religions must realise that covering it up goes to make the situation even worse.
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Considering roughly 1 in 5 (Dutch statistics from the 90's, can't be arsed looking the current stats up) girls suffer some form of abuse by the age of 15, it's hardly remarkable that there's abuse in cults and churches.
If 1 in 10 people are a bastard, then 1 in 10 church people will be one too.
And common sense should drive folk to comprehend that in any gathering these are the odds and that social control (people watching people watching people) is the best method of minimizing the chances of abuse.
In certain jobs (like social work with handicapped people) job-rotation is a must. So that there's always fresh faces around, so people are less likely to turn a blind eye.
Why churches, etc. Don't apply this is beyond me.
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01 Jan 16
Originally posted by shavixmirYes. This report cited in the thread's OP doesn't only point out the child sex abuse by the some of the Jehovah's Witness leaders over an extraordinary long period of time, it also highlights the organisation fundamental flaws in the allegation reporting process. Flaws which the organisation has not addressed and, according to the report, indicated the leadership is more interested in preventing negative publicity, rather than expunging this criminality from its midst.
The majority of sexual abuse happens in the home; by family members.
Considering roughly 1 in 5 (Dutch statistics from the 90's, can't be arsed looking the current stats up) girls suffer some form of abuse by the age of 15, it's hardly remarkable that there's abuse in cults and churches.
If 1 in 10 people are a bastard, then 1 in 10 church people will ...[text shortened]... people are less likely to turn a blind eye.
Why churches, etc. Don't apply this is beyond me.
01 Jan 16
Originally posted by divegeesterSpot on dive.
Yes. This report cited in the thread's OP doesn't only point out the child sex abuse by the some of the Jehovah's Witness leaders over an extraordinary long period of time, it also highlights the organisation fundamental flaws in the allegation reporting process. Flaws which the organisation has not addressed and, according to the report, indicated the l ...[text shortened]... erested in preventing negative publicity, rather than expunging this criminality from its midst.
02 Jan 16
Originally posted by divegeesterAbsolutely.
Yes. This report cited in the thread's OP doesn't only point out the child sex abuse by the some of the Jehovah's Witness leaders over an extraordinary long period of time, it also highlights the organisation fundamental flaws in the allegation reporting process. Flaws which the organisation has not addressed and, according to the report, indicated the l ...[text shortened]... erested in preventing negative publicity, rather than expunging this criminality from its midst.
Originally posted by krieghoffGee you still sore cause you were too stupid and got yourself banned for spamming the clans forum, teehee, some people never learn. Why you are also not banned for button pushing I do not know. I will hear your confessions now, preferably in English now that you seem to have given up trying to pass yourself off as a German submarine commander.
I just dropped in to read your lies and procrastination's. I note that that cult watchtower religion of yours has been caught kiddy-fiddling again. That's something else that wont change I suppose.
02 Jan 16
Originally posted by robbie carrobiesmart move robin. Don't address the issue of the JW brothers kiddie fiddling.
Gee you still sore cause you were too stupid and got yourself banned for spamming the clans forum, teehee, some people never learn. Why you are also not banned for button pushing I do not know. I will hear your confessions now, preferably in English now that you seem to have given up trying to pass yourself off as a German submarine commander.
Attack the poster.
Krist you got more front than Blackpool LOL