JWs and blood transfusions

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
except you don't die because an orthodox priest makes you nauseous with incense.

let the jw's preach that only 144k people will get into god's vip party. let them preach jesus was "crucified" on a pole (who cares).

let them refuse treatment for themselves and die if that is their wish. they however don't get to kill their children and make accomplices out of the doctors.

Could anyone here come up with the actual number of JW children that have died from not having blood transfusions that were denied by their parents?
I see many sites that say "large numbers" have died but no numbers are ever supplied.

Then could the number of children that have been killed by abortion by their own parents or died from second hand smoke or illegal drug use by their parents be shown as well as the number that die by their parents own hands by abuse, left in cars to die from heat related complications, sold into slavery or prostitution, sexually mutilated or assaulted by their own parents or by their religious leaders, killed in car wrecks by their drunk parents, etc, etc.

Lets compare those numbers.................

Originally posted by galveston75
Could anyone here come up with the actual number of JW children that have died from not having blood transfusions that were denied by their parents?
I see many sites that say "large numbers" have died but no numbers are ever supplied.

Then could the number of children that have been killed by abortion by their own parents or died from second hand s ...[text shortened]... in car wrecks by their drunk parents, etc, etc.

Lets compare those numbers.................

Originally posted by sonhouse
You want to compare JW kids to the rest of the population, then you are going to have to base it in terms of deaths per thousand since the JW population is so small compared to the rest of the world.

Having done that, then what? You want a blanket condemnation of JW's?

Originally posted by galveston75
No show me the actual number of JW children that have died from not taking transfusions. Simple question I thought.

Originally posted by divegeester
If it is zero then it will only be because of state intervention.

If it was one would you think that was an acceptable level of collateral loss?

That the state had to intervene to save a child in the link in this thread is sufficient to prove your doctrines are dangerous.

I know the answers I'll get but a question to all Christians about blood. You all know the scriptures that speak of blood and the command to abstain from eating it. You also know that God condemns that and it was even reinforced by the apostles referring to those original commands to Noah. So up to the time of the apostles that law still stood and it still stands today as God has not cancelled that command.
Now if you do see that and are willing to follow that law today on not eating blood by mouth, how would you handle a situation where your child was starving to the point of death within hours and you were offered blood and only blood for that child to inject orally in order to keep him from dying. That blood would for a time, save that childs life.
What would you choose? Obey that clear law in the Bible from God, or would you choose not to obey God and let that child eat that blood?
What could one learn from Abraham and his son?

Originally posted by galveston75
I know the answers I'll get but a question to all Christians about blood. You all know the scriptures that speak of blood and the command to abstain from eating it. You also know that God condemns that and it was even reinforced by the apostles referring to those original commands to Noah. So up to the time of the apostles that law still stood and it sti ...[text shortened]... to obey God and let that child eat that blood?
What could one learn from Abraham and his son?

Originally posted by galveston75
No show me the actual number of JW children that have died from not taking transfusions. Simple question I thought.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Surely as a JW you will know that figure?
Share it with us.

Originally posted by galveston75
No I personally don't know....

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Ok it's 2 so far this year.

Ivor Biggwoond of Sumplaice
and
Rose Fromabed of Elzware

http://jonbarron.org/article/blood-transfusions-may-have-killed-millions#.VBj4K5t151U

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9605799/Killed-by-a-needless-blood-transfusion.html

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/apr/24/medicalresearch.health


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1299787/They-supposed-save-lives-blood-transfusion-heart-attack.html

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/bt/risks.html

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/ReportaProblem/TransfusionDonationFatalities/ucm346639.htm


Do you need more? There are pages of reports showing the bad news of transfusions.....

Originally posted by galveston75
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Do you need more?

Originally posted by galveston75
http://jonbarron.org/article/blood-transfusions-may-have-killed-millions#.VBj4K5t151U

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/9605799/Killed-by-a-needless-blood-transfusion.html

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/apr/24/medicalresearch.health


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1299787/They-supposed-save-lives-blood-transfusion-heart-atta ...[text shortened]... htm


Do you need more? There are pages of reports showing the bad news of transfusions.....