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Originally posted by @romans1009
We already went over this. Please re-read what I previously wrote.

Do you think the Christian values contained in those of the ten commandments that I cited would make a good basis for government?

Originally posted by @romans1009
Do you think women are the same as men in their nature (i.e. not biologically?)

I don't think there is any difference in women ~ in their "nature" or otherwise ~ that affects their ability to be good leaders and good teachers, just as men are also capable of being, whether it be in a church or church community or in government.

Originally posted by @fmf
Do you think the Christian values contained in those of the ten commandments that I cited would make a good basis for government?

It’s neither here nor there as Christians do not live under the law.

“But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”

(Galatians 3:23-25)

Christianity teaches that coming to Christ and accepting Christ must be voluntary, not compelled by government or any other entity or a person.

I don’t think your question is germaine to Christianity.

Originally posted by @fmf
I don't think there is any difference in women ~ in their "nature" or otherwise ~ that affects their ability to be good leaders and good teachers, just as men are also capable of being, whether it be in a church or church community or in government.

In what areas do you think differences in the natures of men and women exist?

To what extent do you think their natures are different?

Originally posted by @romans1009
Christianity teaches that coming to Christ and accepting Christ must be voluntary, not compelled by government or any other entity or a person.

Perhaps there are no Christian values that would make a good basis for government then, is that your view? Perhaps I think do not kill, do not steal and do not lie ~ three Christian values ~ are an essential basis for good government.

Originally posted by @romans1009
In what areas do you think differences in the natures of men and women exist?

To what extent do you think their natures are different?

In no ways that have a bearing on what we are talking about.

Originally posted by @fmf
In no ways that have a bearing on what we are talking about.

But in what areas? They may touch on what we are talking about.

Originally posted by @romans1009
But in what areas? They may touch on what we are talking about.

Let's be clear. I have been responding to this, which is what you said: I honestly don’t see anything in the Christian religion that is antithetical to good government but I haven’t given it a lot of thought. Maybe somebody can come up with a Christian teaching or value that would not be considered good in government practice.

Two examples I offered were the ten commandments and 1Timothy 2:11-13. There are probably many more. The whole of Revelation is probably antithetical to good government if one looks at it with your request in mind.

If you want to start a thread about 'The Difference Between Men and Women' or some such, feel free to do so. There will probably be people who want to discuss it with you.

Originally posted by @fmf
Perhaps there are no Christian values that would make a good basis for government then, is that your view? Perhaps I think do not kill, do not steal and do not lie ~ three Christian values ~ are an essential basis for good government.

That’s not my view at all, but you’re misrepresenting (or not understanding) how one holds and lives those values. You’re trying, like many who believe in salvation by works, to separate Christian behavior from Christ, and it can’t be done.

Originally posted by @fmf
Let's be clear. I have been responding to this, which is what you said: [b]I honestly don’t see anything in the Christian religion that is antithetical to good government but I haven’t given it a lot of thought. Maybe somebody can come up with a Christian teaching or value that would not be considered good in government practice.

Two examples I offered ...[text shortened]... or some such, feel free to do so. There will probably be people who want to discuss it with you.[/b]

We’ve gone over your example of the Ten Commandments and I’d like to explore your example from 1 Timothy but you don’t seem willing to.

Originally posted by @romans1009
That’s not my view at all, but you’re misrepresenting (or not understanding) how one holds and lives those values. You’re trying, like many who believe in salvation by works, to separate Christian behavior from Christ, and it can’t be done.

The issue is not "salvation by works". The issue is: are there Christian values that would not make a good basis for government.

Originally posted by @fmf
Let's be clear. I have been responding to this, which is what you said: [b]I honestly don’t see anything in the Christian religion that is antithetical to good government but I haven’t given it a lot of thought. Maybe somebody can come up with a Christian teaching or value that would not be considered good in government practice.

Two examples I offered ...[text shortened]... or some such, feel free to do so. There will probably be people who want to discuss it with you.[/b]

<<If you want to start a thread about 'The Difference Between Men and Women' or some such, feel free to do so. There will probably be people who want to discuss it with you.>>

Would you be interested in discussing them? I’d be very interested in your opinions/thoughts on the topic.

Originally posted by @romans1009
We’ve gone over your example of the Ten Commandments and I’d like to explore your example from 1 Timothy but you don’t seem willing to.

If you have a dissenting view for this - my view, which pertains to 1Timothy 2:11-13: I don't think there is any difference in women ~ in their "nature" or otherwise ~ that affects their ability to be good leaders and good teachers, just as men are also capable of being, whether it be in a church or church community or in government ...then go for it. If you want a discussion about men and women being different, start a thread.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Would you be interested in discussing them? I’d be very interested in your opinions/thoughts on the topic.

Start a thread on it and see who is interested in the discussion you want to set up.

Originally posted by @fmf
The issue is not "salvation by works". The issue is: are there Christian values that would not make a good basis for government.

Is this another example of the “natural man” in 1 Corinthians 2:14?

Everything in Christianity starts with Christ. One is made righteous (in right standing with God) by accepting Christ, one is freed from the law after accepting Christ and one bears fruit of the Spirit after accepting Christ.

The acceptance of Christ has to be voluntary. You’re skipping over (ignoring) that and going right to the law, when Christians don’t live under the law.